glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
in nz?
What hours do you expect someone to work?
- Thread starter Neddy flanders
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beefandsleep
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- Location
- Staffordshire
Your basic maths let’s you down again guth.
4x12=48 + 25 days paid holiday =73 days
That’s on top of 48 days when only 3hrs work are expected. Ffs, it’s a farm not a holiday camp.
Edit- it’s actually 52 free weekend days so a total of 77 days.
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glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
No, the work stops at 3, but the pay runs to 4.30
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
No England. I'm from Cheshire (hence Kiwi pom)
Indeed sometimes he would be home before his 'knocking off' time that was because they can only do the jobs they are issued for the day. If the jobs finished and they have no more booked in what else can he do but go home?
Farming's different you're basically 'on site' all the time so can always find something to do, finish one job start the next. Its not always possible in other jobs.
Yet you think that is acceptable?
It demonstrates perfectly why you had to look for staff in the first place, and why you are still looking.
beefandsleep
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- Location
- Staffordshire
Yes I do think that’s acceptable. The alternative is me working 365 days a year instead of 313. Do you work on a stockfarm? I’m glad it’s not mine.
If you are of the mind that it is unacceptable then I don’t think farming, at least livestock farming is for you lad.
kiwi pom
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- Location
- canterbury NZ
I don't think you're being unreasonable with the hours, it would depend a bit on the money of course. House provided would be ideal, over here accommodation is almost a must for farm work.
To me the biggest thing would be how I got on with the 'boss', if you think about it farming's fairly unique in that there may only be one employee and he or she works alongside the business owner. Its a tricky relationship to get right but makes a massive difference to how smoothly things go in my opinion.
That you felt it's necessary to add "lad" to your comments, despite the lack of age difference, merely proves that I have won the argument and you have lost.
Sorry, Boss. ;-)
- Location
- Northumberlandia
I think there is quite a misconception that us FARMERS & iam one & a TENANT also, that we
do our work whatever that maybe & then pack in for the day or halfway thru the day & then do nothing
Yes we do spend alot of time on the phone, emails, internet researching future purchases & the list go's on.
some of all of this isnt always for the business i agree but we do have a life outside of the everyday stuff also.
i had two part days last week where i was at farming related meetings which thankfully i was able to attend.
but theres plenty of things iam not able to go to because of Harvest/Sowing time etc which always has & always
will come first unless its a life or you know what i mean situation.
we have to work with the sodding weather so much you just get used to it.
Getting back to OP i employ temp harvest help & had a few over the last 8 yrs since i had to go this route
not had too many issues, all would work as much as needed & i was just as flexible with them for needing days off etc etc
its all give n take. pay them the going rate most cert nothing less.
Jon Boy
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- Location
- North Canterbury New Zealand
Thats a very idealistic and fanciful view you will be telling us that farmers never go on social media during work time.
betweenthelines
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- Location
- southwest
You're saying that farmers don't eat in working hours?
They have their breaks at home, not sat in the cab or a manky shed.
And why are people glad of the extra cash for overtime? Because basic pay is crap, that's why.
For comparison........
NHS employee, 10+ years service.
8.00am till 4.00pm (normally in at 7.15am & leave at 4.30-5 ish unpaid)
Paid 37.5 hours a week Mon-Fri.
33 days Annual leave (plus Bank Holidays & Weekends).
I can "buy" an extra 5 days A/L as the Trust is in a financial mess. Makes it 38 days (plus Bank Holidays & Weekends).
I`m signed up for Institute of Leadership & Management Level 5 (2 year course with 38 days study leave)
Salary currently £31,696.00 plus National agreement (currently +1%) plus an annual increment (measured against performance) which will take it to £32,731 in Jan 2019.
The job is mentally tiring, moving big numbers around & creating applications to track costs etc. I will stay until that day`s work is done, will start early and achieve targets set by the boss. Likewise the flexibility is built in to allow me to browse TFF and other stuff as long as the jobs are done by the target time/date.
NHS employee, 10+ years service.
8.00am till 4.00pm (normally in at 7.15am & leave at 4.30-5 ish unpaid)
Paid 37.5 hours a week Mon-Fri.
33 days Annual leave (plus Bank Holidays & Weekends).
I can "buy" an extra 5 days A/L as the Trust is in a financial mess. Makes it 38 days (plus Bank Holidays & Weekends).
I`m signed up for Institute of Leadership & Management Level 5 (2 year course with 38 days study leave)
Salary currently £31,696.00 plus National agreement (currently +1%) plus an annual increment (measured against performance) which will take it to £32,731 in Jan 2019.
The job is mentally tiring, moving big numbers around & creating applications to track costs etc. I will stay until that day`s work is done, will start early and achieve targets set by the boss. Likewise the flexibility is built in to allow me to browse TFF and other stuff as long as the jobs are done by the target time/date.
beefandsleep
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- Location
- Staffordshire
I haven’t a clue how old you are but given what I consider to be your naive and unrealistic expectations in terms of working hours it is perhaps appropriate?
Wouldn’t life be wonderful if livestock work finished at 4 o clock on a Friday and didn’t start again until 9 o clock Monday morning, lad?[emoji6]
- Location
- Fife
The pig unit I worked on was 0600-1500 Monday - Friday. Morning checks at weekend, one weekend in 6. Over time of 1hr per day for starting before 0700. During washdown week extra overtime of 1hr per day.
TheTallGuy
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- Location
- Cambridgeshire
Or maybe if you employed someone to specifically work the weekend hours in return for time off during the week?
Bossfarmer
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- Location
- between Perth and Inverness
different when your is your 60s onwards mabye but up until then if your going to run a business you may aswell graft at it yourself employees are unnecessary on many farms, working hard keeps a businessman/farmer in a routine too much time off and distraction leads to a number of problems in my opinion
beefandsleep
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- Location
- Staffordshire
That would be the perfect solution, someone prepared to have their ‘weekend’ on a Monday Tuesday. Does such a person exist?
I’m not big enough to employ enough people to spread weekend duties over more than every other weekend and without automatic feeding a la pig unit someone has to turn a key on a tractor every day I’m afraid.
Frodo
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- Location
- Scotland (east)
Is this a wind up?
Do you really think the reason to work hard is so you can work harder?
Heaven forbid earlier in your career you might have a break to enjoy yourself. In your opinion that is the road to ruination.
The OP is wanting to pay overtime to do some strimming. I find it quite an inefficient way of maintaining ground even when I am doing it myself let alone on overtime.
YorkshireAndrew
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- Location
- West / North Yorks border
It’s alright you saying that at your age , see how you feel in 15-20 years time .
- Location
- Cumbria
You can’t work more than 48 hours a week on average - normally averaged over 17 weeks. This law is sometimes called the ‘working time directive’ or ‘working time regulations’.
You can choose to work more by opting out of the 48-hour week.
If you’re under 18, you can’t work more than 8 hours a day or 40 hours a week.
Exceptions
You may have to work more than 48 hours a week on average if you work in a job:
In other words, you can work as many hours per day as you want, as long as the hours do not exceed 816 over a 17 week period.
NFU's position...
Working Time Directive 2003/88/EC: Although this started as an employment reform, the eventual directive was enacted as health and safety legislation to overcome the vigorous opposition of the UK to this proposal. The shortcomings of the directive generally are well known, particularly the opposition to allowing some member states to allow workers in their countries to opt-out and work higher weekly hours than as prescribed by the directive. The NFU supports reform of the Working Time Directive to rein in the decisions of the European Court of Justice which have unreasonably stretched the reach of the directive.
You can choose to work more by opting out of the 48-hour week.
If you’re under 18, you can’t work more than 8 hours a day or 40 hours a week.
Exceptions
You may have to work more than 48 hours a week on average if you work in a job:
- where 24-hour staffing is required
- in the armed forces, emergency services or police
- in security and surveillance
- as a domestic servant in a private household
- as a seafarer, sea-fisherman or worker on vessels on inland waterways
- where working time is not measured and you’re in control, eg you’re a managing executive with control over your decisions
In other words, you can work as many hours per day as you want, as long as the hours do not exceed 816 over a 17 week period.
NFU's position...
Working Time Directive 2003/88/EC: Although this started as an employment reform, the eventual directive was enacted as health and safety legislation to overcome the vigorous opposition of the UK to this proposal. The shortcomings of the directive generally are well known, particularly the opposition to allowing some member states to allow workers in their countries to opt-out and work higher weekly hours than as prescribed by the directive. The NFU supports reform of the Working Time Directive to rein in the decisions of the European Court of Justice which have unreasonably stretched the reach of the directive.
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