What hours do you expect someone to work?

[glasshouse]

so when I packed in in july 2016 your figures say I was getting £894.23 a week,for £250 a week I would want a better house than one with a leaking roof and windows

Did your boss refuse to fix the leaks?

 

[yorkie]

Did your boss refuse to fix the leaks?

was to be done in the future,only ever been in 2 that we would have paid rent for,there are some that are free for a reason

 

[kfpben]

I worked as a junior dairy manager for a farm management company for two years on a multi dairy estate.

I consistently worked: 4am-7pm with no breaks whatsoever every week of the year. Could be later if silaging etc. The dairymen went home in the middle of the day but I was expected to work straight through. Lunch was a sandwich in the truck while driving. I did the night checks at least one night in three (main dairy was 4 miles from where my tied flat was). With 900 cows there was a pretty high chance it wouldn’t just be a look round.

12 days on, 2 off. 28 days holiday a year including bank holidays.

I loved the job but the hours were relentless. I got depressed (didn’t know it at the time) and lost a relationship over it. No one needs to consistently do 80-100 hours a week. It will make you ill.

 

[Hilly]

Can anybody afford to live what you might call a comfortable modern life and pay rent or a mortgage as well as raise a family on a 30 hr a week job in agriculture?

Not many.

 

[Chae1]

Have you ever been an employee for another business?
Working for yourself is totally different to working for someone else.

In my experience it's better working for someone else.

It's not all manky sheds for lunch, we've just built a new bothy/office with toilet, shower, and cooking facilities for staff and people working on farm. It's cleaned once a week and stocked with home baking, tea and coffee etc.

Coincidentally we don't seem to have much bother attracting and keeping good staff.

 

[Alf]

council pack up at 3

Thats what I mean

 

[Alf]

I know from first hand experience of hmrc, nhs, police and schools that your comments mirror the inaccurate prejudices of the uninformed right wing press and swivel eyed loon politicians we suffer from. Like all professions there are always those who take the proverbial but one cannot judge an entire profession by the actions of the few.

yeh yeh what ever , Right wing press lol . I suppose you read the the guardian communist paper by your post

 

[Alf]

Not sure what you have against people finishing at 4. If they're an employee and that's what they're paid for that's what they do.
Many people are on salaries- which I dislike- so don't get any more money for working extra hours, so why do it. Many employers have to offer attractive hours or other incentives just to get staff nowadays and good employees can negotiate their contract. What's wrong with that?
If a farmer could negotiate another 10 pound a ton for his wheat or get a few grand off a new tractor he would. Its the same thing.
I've mostly always been on by the hour so keen for hours, not everyone is.

I have nothing against it at all . personally I like to work more as I dont want to live on a 40 hr week wage

 

[capfits]

@Alf you really are a bit of a knob aren't you?

 

[Alf]

@Alf you really are a bit of a knob aren't you?

if you think so please tell me in person not sitting on you key pad you knob

 

[betweenthelines]

If a farmer is regularly working the 60+ hrs/week that many claim and have to book deliveries etc while eating a sandwich, they are either:

telling whoppers,

too greedy to pay the numbers of staff they can afford

so disorganised they're probably doing everything twice.

 

[principal skinner]

Quick reminder for us all of the legal position - may be useful before some boast about what they get up to:

At least one 20 minute break if the shift is longer than six hours.
Not more than 48hrs/week, averaged over any 17 week period (can be voluntarily opted out by employee, but employee decision must be respected)
Minimum of 11 consecutive hours rest in any 24 period (so no finishing at midnight and back in at 8am)
One day off per week, or two consecutive days off per fortnight
Limit of 8hr shifts for normal working night shifts.

There are very few exceptions to the above, and agriculture is not one of them. Note that only the 48hr/week average working hours are open to opt out - it is not possible for an employee to opt out of the other requirements. Working regular 13+ hour days, or more than 12 days straight through is illegal and were an accident to happen (as often does with tired employees), the employer would have a difficult defence against HSE prosecution.

edit <Worth pointing out that rules for under 18s are even more strict.>

This may be the next PPI!

Were you forced to work 100 weeks by a d**kh**d manger? If so we can claim for you! Hope it is, the look on the tw@ts face would be priceless

I was combining at midnight (an hour away from home) and he told me to be in at 5am to desiccate some beans, I refused point blank to do it bearing in mind he had been home for tea for a couple of hours at 7pm, if hadn’t been so busy driving about all evening he could had them done. Threatened with the sack and I left at Christmas by my own choice to work for a farmer who respected staff, since become Farm manager for my wife’s family and no way would I ask an employee to do the above,I would do it myself.

He was typical of a tractor driver promoted out of his depth with no people skills whatsoever, never asked you to do something, always told, never thanked you for going the extra mile, always looked for faults rather than the good. [emoji348][emoji773]

 

[unlacedgecko]

This may be the next PPI!

Were you forced to work 100 weeks by a willy manger? If so we can claim for you! Hope it is, the look on the tw@ts face would be priceless

I was combining at midnight (an hour away from home) and he told me to be in at 5am to desiccate some beans, I refused point blank to do it bearing in mind he had been home for tea for a couple of hours at 7pm, if hadn’t been so busy driving about all evening he could had them done. Threatened with the sack and I left at Christmas by my own choice to work for a farmer who respected staff, since become Farm manager for my wife’s family and no way would I ask an employee to do the above,I would do it myself.

He was typical of a tractor driver promoted out of his depth with no people skills whatsoever, never asked you to do something, always told, never thanked you for going the extra mile, always looked for faults rather than the good. [emoji348][emoji773]

There are lots of managers but few leaders.

 

[Mr always wrong]

This may be the next PPI!

Were you forced to work 100 weeks by a willy manger? If so we can claim for you! Hope it is, the look on the tw@ts face would be priceless

I was combining at midnight (an hour away from home) and he told me to be in at 5am to desiccate some beans, I refused point blank to do it bearing in mind he had been home for tea for a couple of hours at 7pm, if hadn’t been so busy driving about all evening he could had them done. Threatened with the sack and I left at Christmas by my own choice to work for a farmer who respected staff, since become Farm manager for my wife’s family and no way would I ask an employee to do the above,I would do it myself.

He was typical of a tractor driver promoted out of his depth with no people skills whatsoever, never asked you to do something, always told, never thanked you for going the extra mile, always looked for faults rather than the good. [emoji348][emoji773]

No longer employ anyone but when I did would never expect them to be out earlier or later than me, rarely expected them to do weekend apart from lambing etc. Always gave them time off before me after lambing.

 

[Derrick Hughes]

No longer employ anyone but when I did would never expect them to be out earlier or later than me, rarely expected them to do weekend apart from lambing etc. Always gave them time off before me after lambing.

I employ people so I can take it easy .Would you expect to see the boss of Tesco stacking shelves ? I really don't understand this do what your staff do in farming

 

[Mr always wrong]

I employ people so I can take it easy .Would you expect to see the boss of Tesco stacking shelves ? I really don't understand this do what your staff do in farming

Slightly confused with the point you are trying to make. My thought process when I employed someone was yes they were there to make my life easier and did. BUT I didn't expect them to put in the same as me, it's my farm but just a job for them. If they wanted to work later they could and would. Certainly didn't expect them to check cows through the night etc.. And stand by giving them first time off after busy time so they could spend time with their families. Even when I am flat out I still get in the house for meals or kids could outside to find me, employees living off site don't have that option

 

[had e nuff]

Start at 8 every morning. In winter finish at 4, summer might go till 5. 2 hours on Saturday and Sunday mornings. Hour for lunch, coffee at 10 ish. Still get everything done.

 

[Rowland]

I employ people so I can take it easy .Would you expect to see the boss of Tesco stacking shelves ? I really don't understand this do what your staff do in farming

Exactly why have a dog a bark your self !

 

[Rowland]

what do we see as the future for employees in ag? personally now brexit has happened and farm support predicted to be cut i see workers needing to be worked harder or let go, farmers will need to put more hours in themselves, unfortunately with prices stagnant, inputs steadily rising and support falling workers wages have gone UP!! when we last had a worker he got £3.60/hr

What a load of ballcocks

 

[Chae1]

Exactly why have a dog a bark your self !

I know what you mean but there is a case of leading from the front? Don't ask somebody to do something you wouldn't do yourself. I think you gain a certain amount respect from staff for doing this too.