pickups again

Ray · Dec 4, 2018

Cowabunga said:
It was proven to me on this forum only a few weeks ago that they can be dicounted to around £23k for a fully equipped 3.2 Wildtrak. How does that compare to a discounted similarly equipped X-class?

That is very true, or was last April when I bought one.. My old 2.2 had just been wrote off following a rear end shunt so needed another pickup asap. I spent quite while on the phone to different Ford dealers getting prices and spec. Highest price quoted was £33k. Finally bought a 3.2 Wildtrack auto c/w metallic paint, factory fitted roller top, tow bar, scuff plates and 240v invertor. This was a brand new ex stock unregistered vehicle and a cash sale. I must say I did have the benefit of a NFU discount voucher that was worth 15%.

I'd previously priced up a Navara Tekna auto. Again this was a new unregistered pickup with tow bar, load liner and metallic paint. Best cash price but with no NFU voucher was £21500. I'd initially decided to buy this one but wanted it in my current tax year. Sadly when I called the dealer to place the order they were too busy to take the call apparently, I asked if the salesman could please call me back before the end of the day to no avail. Eventually they called me back after the looming bank holiday and after the end of my tax year by which time I'd decided I no longer wanted to deal with them for obvious reasons.

ollie989898 · Dec 4, 2018

michael N123 said:
If your doing 80000 in 3 years why the feck would you do it in a pickup

Agronomists.

That said, I do share that view. You would need to have some kind of genuine brain disorder to drive a pick up except where it was truly needed for the job in hand.

Cowabunga · Dec 4, 2018

ollie989898 said:
Agronomists.

Bless you!

michael N123 · Dec 4, 2018

ollie989898 said:
Agronomists.

That said, I do share that view. You would need to have some kind of genuine brain disorder to drive a pick up except where it was truly needed for the job in hand.

I hate pickups to. There good as work vehicles but no way would I get rid off my car and just use the l200

Robt · Dec 4, 2018

You try doing 40k a year in a shogun.... you’ll be begging for a pickup after that!
Best I’ve driven other then VW is the l200!

quavers · Dec 4, 2018

Will 1594 said:
If we brought the Toyota Land Cruiser pickup from nz what would it need for uk running ,my lad over there and seen a few ,

https://www.angliavehicles.co.uk/79-pickup-double-cab get one bought and let us know how you get on

hubbahubba · Dec 4, 2018

I have a 2 year old wildtrak auto. Only done 14k miles but its hardly ever over 21 mpg. Averaging 20.2.

Now that its out of warranty I am thinking about remaping it too 240hp and there saying i will get better economy? Anybody done this?

Lapwing · Dec 4, 2018

On the electric pickup theme, given that a lot of time the bed isnt fully loaded, wouldnt there be scope to have a generator pack which could be dropped in the back (or the vacant engine bay) for longer journeys? Obviously not an ideal option, but if it could be made compact & simple enough to plug in it might overcome the range issues

Nithsdale · Dec 4, 2018

Robt said:
You try doing 40k a year in a shogun.... you’ll be begging for a pickup after that!
Best I’ve driven other then VW is the l200!

A friend has just been given a VW as his work 'car'... he has the Isuzu as his own which he has liked all the time he has had it.

He says the VW is unbelievably nice to spend time in (he is currently doing a 1hr 40 commute to his office)

Nithsdale · Dec 4, 2018

michael N123 said:
If your doing 80000 in 3 years why the feck would you do it in a pickup

I much prefer the higher driving position of 4x4s and pickups etc... but your 80,000miles a year in a pickup - that is a scary fuel bill compared to doing it in any car!

Old Tip · Dec 4, 2018

Beames said:
My 17 plate warrior has done 14,000 miles and so far has had warped brake disks changed under warranty and is going in on Thursday to have the gear box taken out because it keeps jumping out of third gear.
I’d definitely be looking at the ford or navara.

I know two folk that have sent their fords back for gearbox issues, money back and no arguments so can’t be on their own

ollie989898 · Dec 4, 2018

Don't get me wrong, I am sure the Hilux and VW are particularly fine places to spend a day, but driving thousands of miles a year, day in day out, when compared to a half decent saloon or estate car, jaysus. I mean driving around in a Volvo car after 5 years of a Navara, hell, my back knows about it after a long drive. Watch a grown bloke get out of a pickup after a 2 hour drive on the motorway and they are 3 inches shorter in the spine than when they got in. There is just no comparison between the interior, seating and road manners of a pick up and a decent passenger car.

smcapstick · Dec 4, 2018

I doubt a standard car could be tax deductible for any agricultural business. They’re certainly not for mine - I got very short shrift off my accountant for using Discovery TD5s as tow vehicles, years ago (after being sick of L200s) - they were not commercials, therefore qualified for benefits in kind taxation.

That’s what pushed me to Navaras - much more comfortable than L200s and nicer to drive but fully tax deductible.

Pheasant Surprise · Dec 4, 2018

Lapwing said:
On the electric pickup theme, given that a lot of time the bed isnt fully loaded, wouldnt there be scope to have a generator pack which could be dropped in the back (or the vacant engine bay) for longer journeys? Obviously not an ideal option, but if it could be made compact & simple enough to plug in it might overcome the range issues

I know folks joke (half seriously) about packing a gennny in an electric vehicle - but generating leccy from a diesel or (even worse) a petrol genset would be (a) so bloody slow in getting enough charge into the pack as to be useless (b) far worse on your wallet than just simply sticking with an ICE powering the vehicle. (c) very dirty! No emissions control on most diesel sets. Your truck or car engine is fifty to one hundred times cleaner on emissions.

Generating leccy from my standby set costs me roughly quadruple in diesel than what I can buy it from the grid.

Nithsdale · Dec 4, 2018

General-Lee said:
Had a electric Polaris on demo last week, battery life needs to come a long way!!

Was told 1.5 hrs normal stockrounds take me about 2 hrs and our Gator does a weeks lambing work on a tank full, so not a great start.

So done the rounds with the battery about half to 40% charge left didn’t bother charging it wanted to see how it does, took 2 loads of ewes and lambs out and on the 2nd trip noticed the battery dropping on the way back decided to avoid main road. Halfway up a hill (crawling at this point!) decided to ditch the trailer and carried on (snails pace now! ) luckily managed to limp home last bit across a field.

Needless to say the long weekend demo resulted in only a part day.

It was nippy but poor top speed and was great on very steep with a full snaka, could just feather the throttle, but was glad to be back in the Gator.

It'll never take off in ATV form... they need to be small/lightweight go anywhere.
To have battery capacity they'd need to be physically huge - and the batteries weigh!!

One would need to do 8hrs of constant use towing heavy weight, minimum, to be viable - and they'd need to be fully recharged within 8hrs. It's the only way a electric ATV would 'work' at lambing time

Cowabunga · Dec 4, 2018

Lapwing said:
On the electric pickup theme, given that a lot of time the bed isnt fully loaded, wouldnt there be scope to have a generator pack which could be dropped in the back (or the vacant engine bay) for longer journeys? Obviously not an ideal option, but if it could be made compact & simple enough to plug in it might overcome the range issues

Why waste space in the back when they could actually fit an engine in the front instead.

That's thinking outside the box for you! [See what I did there?]

Derrick Hughes · Dec 4, 2018

Think I've gone off a pickup.

Old Tip · Dec 4, 2018

It’s sheer lunacy to make all vehicles electric, yes in big cities it may make sense re emmisons but only if all that electric is from hydro or wind. Otherwise a lot of energy is lost down the wire and your carting round a big heavy load of batteries. Also the stuff they make these batteries out of is very toxic in itself hence most come from China where human life is expendable and the EA and DAFTA don’t exist. I just can’t see how it’s going to be either economical, practical or environmentally sound.
I bet there some big money being spent by the companies that invested In this technology to lobby governments and do clever maths to show it works

pettsy · Dec 4, 2018

Will 1594 said:
If we brought the Toyota Land Cruiser pickup from nz what would it need for uk running ,my lad over there and seen a few ,

Milner off road advertising them at the moment

Cowabunga · Dec 4, 2018

Old Tip said:
It’s sheer lunacy to make all vehicles electric, yes in big cities it may make sense re emmisons but only if all that electric is from hydro or wind. Otherwise a lot of energy is lost down the wire and your carting round a big heavy load of batteries. Also the stuff they make these batteries out of is very toxic in itself hence most come from China where human life is expendable and the EA and DAFTA don’t exist. I just can’t see how it’s going to be either economical, practical or environmentally sound.
I bet there some big money being spent by the companies that invested In this technology to lobby governments and do clever maths to show it works

Quite a high proportion of UK electricity comes from renewables now, plus the nuclear power is always there and fuel costs next to nothing, so might as well use it.
It is in regions like Australia, where the majority of electricity is generated from coal, that it makes little sense.

On the other hand even so, there's a lot to be said for moving emissions out from concentrated city areas and instead control it in centralised but more isolated areas where scrubbers are used before sending it up high chimneys to drift over mainland Europe instead of over us.

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