pickups again

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Why should it break down?

Serviced and maintained properly almost all cars built in the last 20 years can do twice that mileage, easily (unless it's a JLR). 100,000miles on a car really is nothing

err, my 1995 Range Rover has 360,000 km on it & we will be setting off on a few thousand km round trip towing a camper trailer over Christmas
I have no concerns or worries
 

Farmer Roy

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Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
Quite a high proportion of UK electricity comes from renewables now, plus the nuclear power is always there and fuel costs next to nothing, so might as well use it.
It is in regions like Australia, where the majority of electricity is generated from coal, that it makes little sense.

On the other hand even so, there's a lot to be said for moving emissions out from concentrated city areas and instead control it in centralised but more isolated areas where scrubbers are used before sending it up high chimneys to drift over mainland Europe instead of over us. ;)

:whistle:

from a farm point of view in Australia, there is no reason you shouldn't have a bank of solar panels on every roof or stand alone, & effectively power everything from that
I am looking forward to the days of electric tractors
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
from a farm point of view in Australia, there is no reason you shouldn't have a bank of solar panels on every roof or stand alone, & effectively power everything from that
I am looking forward to the days of electric tractors
So am I. Maximum torque from zero revs. The simplest of transmissions. Near zero noise. What’s not to like? I’m seriously considering a Hyundai Ionic as a first car, which has a realistic range of 200 miles, which will get me to Cardiff and back without recharging, while retaining my Diesel Honda for longer distances.
 
It’s sheer lunacy to make all vehicles electric, yes in big cities it may make sense re emmisons but only if all that electric is from hydro or wind. Otherwise a lot of energy is lost down the wire and your carting round a big heavy load of batteries. Also the stuff they make these batteries out of is very toxic in itself hence most come from China where human life is expendable and the EA and DAFTA don’t exist. I just can’t see how it’s going to be either economical, practical or environmentally sound.
I bet there some big money being spent by the companies that invested In this technology to lobby governments and do clever maths to show it works :banghead:

Battery powered passenger cars, doing less than 200 miles a day, its a no-brainer. As battery and lithium production ramps up they will get cheaper and the cost per mile is rough barely a third of internal combustion. That technology already exists.

Power stations, even those burning coal, have far better emissions controls than anything your car has, and the efficiency in battery charging is about 90%, with electric motors being even better. Your car doesn't even manage to turn 50% of the energy in it's fuel into motion. That is where the electric drivetrain scores big.
 

Gong Farmer

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BASIS
Location
S E Glos
We've looked at electric cars several times. With solar on the house we could run it very cheaply but the lease payments on the batteries always blows the argument out of the water.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
Even £3800 per year seems expensive to me over 6 years and 60,000 miles. £22800. Surely you could buy a Yukon for around £20k and it would still be worth at least £4k to sell, which is about £7k cheaper than the contract hire. I've not counted interest in the purchase price though, which could amount to a cost of around £3k on a three year HP deal. So still 4k cheaper or £666 per year averaged out.
I have not budgeted an increased hire cost for the second three year term of course, which might wipe out the £3k interest charge anyway. After all, there's £1600 extra per year for the Navara from the start, which is over £10k a year more than the Isuzu's contract hire cost, which amounts to a total hire cost over six years of £32400, which is £10000 more than today's outright purchase price for said vehicle. Anyone doing that contract hire deal must be soft in the head.
And you're missing the biggy which is the way most farmers will get panned for dints and imperfections on the return off contract hire
 

toquark

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I changed allegiance from a Hilux 3.0 invincible to the Ford Ranger 3.2 Wildtrack in July. The old Hilux was great but I really didn't like the new one.

Unlike any of the current offerings, the Ford pulls well, especially when towing. Its comfy, drives well, refined and has plenty kit. The only other possible contender in my view was the L200, nice car but I liked the extra power delivered by the Ford as I do a lot of towing. I've not really tested it in real bad muddy/snowy conditions yet and obviously time will be the only test in terms of reliability/durability but so far I'm very impressed.
 

D14

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looking for a new pickup narrowed it down to the ford ranger wildrtrak 3.2 auto or the nissan navara tekna .which is best ( most comfortable /economical ) and reliable . thanks

Don’t buy a new ranger as they are being completely overhauled behind the scenes right now. I’m part of a research/test group and we are being showed virtually finished products now. Likewise both VW and Merc are making big alterations as we’ve seen what they are doing as well.
 
We've looked at electric cars several times. With solar on the house we could run it very cheaply but the lease payments on the batteries always blows the argument out of the water.

An electric car would have been a wiser investment than solar panels, cutting your electricity consumption is minimal saving compared to the huge savings on fuel you can make with an electric car, particularly for people doing a lot of miles. Plus there is no road tax.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
The Ford Ranger is just about to be re-launched here as a 19 model, will you guys get the same design..?

No diesel being offered in U.S.

We have already got an almost identical design, which is to be further updated with Sync3 and new Diesel engines. A 2.0 in two different power outputs, the most powerful being a twin turbo with more power and torque than the current 3.2 five cylinder. This will be mated with the American 10 speed automatic as an option and replaces the current Ford 6 speed automatic, which just might remain as an option on the lower power diesel.
The Ecoblue engine is interesting because it is meant to be between 15 and 20% more efficient [read 'frugal'] than the current engine per unit of power output. It also has an unique [as far as I know] timing belt that runs in oil. A 'wet belt'.
I don't believe that there are any other really significant changes to the chassis, body, trim or 4wd system from what we have already got.

I would be surprised if any petrol engines were offered in Europe, but you never know these days. It certainly will not be a V6 petrol engine.
 

D14

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How do I get into that kind of thing. Sounds interesting.

I was approached by a 3rd party who I cannot name for legal reasons I’m afraid. Anybody involved signs documentation agreeing to not divulge what you see which is why my reply above doesn’t go into any further detail. Your not even allowed to talk to the other people doing the same thing as you are doing.

Every time we enter we are searched and have to hand over phones etc for the duration of our stay. The money is very good as well and paid within hours of a visit. It’s basically market research but follows into actual production. VW and Merc are leagues ahead of the rest of the pack presently with what’s coming, and I mean leagues ahead. Ford is hot on their heels though!
 

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