Dead Rabbits
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I can’t believe the employer is at fault. Where is the personal accountancy? Being a dumbass is nobody’s fault but your own
What happens when mills refuse to let drivers sweep out
- Thread starter Bongodog
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I can’t believe the employer is at fault. Where is the personal accountancy? Being a dumbass is nobody’s fault but your own
See my previous post. The employer is responsible & because they hadn't go the paperwork in order, liable too. If the driver had been briefed correctly he wouldn't have got the 75% compensation awarded by the court.
TBF to the driver, these things do happen when in a rush. To my mind, not being allowed to sweep out at the mill is the problem here.
If they don't like the idea of sweeping, they should install a giant compressed air system to blow out the trailers. Wouldn't be that difficult really.
If they don't like the idea of sweeping, they should install a giant compressed air system to blow out the trailers. Wouldn't be that difficult really.
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- S E Glos
But surely to drive one of these wagons you have to have training in their safe use? (including safe tipping). Unless the employer did the basic training for the driver I don't see that they should accept the blame, since they took on this chap assuming he had all the necessary qualifications.
75% of the blame was apportioned to the employer for not doing the risk assessment & resulting training. There's no debating acceptance here. I don't have a Class 1 HGV licence so I've no idea what part of the training is, though you'd think that safe tipping of bulkers would be part of that, wouldn't you?
Where does it stop?
Seth McFarlane’s film ‘A Million Ways To Die In The West’ springs to mind. The number of scenarios requiring separate ‘risk assessments’ is only limited by your imagination, and even then if an ‘accident’ should happen we’re still going to be nailed to a cross for our best possible efforts to be diligent by a judge that will refuse to apportion blame to the
Why do judges and the HSE ignore the ‘personal responsibility’ of the ‘victim’ and go he’ll bent on destroying the attentive and ‘best practice’ following employers?
I fail to see any justice being served.
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yellow belly
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- south west lincolnshire
it would not take too much to design a back door that had the corners filled in so when tipped and using the shoot it emptied
most bulker bodies are big enough to lose a bit in the corners and still hold 29 tonnes of barley
all farms should look at their risk assessment for tipping trailers and power lines and training schedules
in lincolnshire a farmers son was killed a couple of years ago cleaning out a trailer when it hit power lines
every one has to be carefull especially with power lines near farm yards
most bulker bodies are big enough to lose a bit in the corners and still hold 29 tonnes of barley
all farms should look at their risk assessment for tipping trailers and power lines and training schedules
in lincolnshire a farmers son was killed a couple of years ago cleaning out a trailer when it hit power lines
every one has to be carefull especially with power lines near farm yards
Derky
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- Bucks/oxon
90% of mills wont let you sweep out. Its madness and we hope the tascc code will address this however there is a huge amount of opposition. My lads carry around sacks to sweep into if they cannot sweep out on farm. The situation with the driver tipping up came down to a poor driver judgement.
I put in a earlier post you see triangular bits to fit in corners but you still have to sweep out
Can’t go for a load of sand for bunkers at a golf course with a few hundred grains of barley still in the box
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- Fife
There's no training in bulkers delivered for Class 1 licence.
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- Darlington
There is for quarries 'EPIC' and when I was running mine you had to show adequate training for TASCC and I'm sure safe tipping was a part of it.
Do the mills ask what the last load hauled was and expect it to be swept and cleaned out properly if required?
Would be rather hypocritical of them to require sweep outs for their products yet not offer it.
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yes you have put down your last three loads on the passport from the store you loaded stating how u cleaned the trailer
yes you do have training and the very first thing your told is too look up before tipping for overhead obstructions
That brings another question to mind - are trailers sampled there prior to dumping in order to grade the product?
I’m not saying we catch every mix up and contamination... but we probe, hand sample or both, every load we dump. We find treated seed, we find fertilizer, we find deer poop, pellets, other grains, you name it. Doesn’t matter if they say their last load wasn’t treated seed (maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t), we find it, they aren’t dumping that load. Truckers don’t usually want to have the haul the full load back to farm because they didn’t sweep out and we found contamination because of it.
So do the mills tale a representative sample to check for themselves for signs of contaminants or they’re just taking the passports as proof?
There'll be plenty of sampling, don't worry. The last load of mine delivered to Wynnstay, the driver took 2 samples whilst loading. + the one I sent them. Then it's sampled on delivery at the mill......and that's only for livestock feed.....
More of my crop leaves in 1kg bags than in wagons.
