Exactly. The pellets didn't walk themselves into the water courses.
Metaldehyde to be withdrawn for outdoor uses
- Thread starter Woodlander
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Been using Ferric phosphate for the last 3 years on headlands/ margins, and when instructing local pellet contractor that was what was wanted, replied " no-one else does"!
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- Lincolnshire.
Precisely. That by definition also includes all insecticides.
yellow belly
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using ferric phosphate here now as leaving headlands without met on smaller fields is not practical
the cost of the cheapest met is less but thet do not last very long so need more repeat doses
ferric also does not need a pa4
the cost of the cheapest met is less but thet do not last very long so need more repeat doses
ferric also does not need a pa4
That’s a new one on me, are you sure?
I really cannot see why you wouldn’t need PA4-S certificate as it’s still a registered granulated pesticide.
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- Lincolnshire.
Do you use insecticide? Isn’t that “harmful” to wildlife.
Ferric phosphate certainly does need a PA1 and PA4 (G) certificate. It is a pesticide, unless you can find me a formulation that is not a pesticide. Sluxx, Ironmax Pro & Derrex all have MAPP numbers. Here's the link to the search, or let me know what product you're using & I'll look it up for you. https://secure.pesticides.gov.uk/pestreg/prodsearch.asp
That, ladies & gentlemen, is one of the reasons that we keep seeing pesticides banned. The Voluntary Initiative has helped the ag industry come a long way from where it was before but this kind of abuse does us no favours whatsoever
https://www.nfuonline.com/cross-sec...-an-update-from-the-water-companies-26-10-18/
Yes, I know water wasn't the explicit reason for the ban but I somehow doubt the water companies will have fought to help save it.
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- Lincolnshire.
TBH this product was banned on a whim. If Gove was concerned about wildlife he’d have done a whole lot of other stuff first.
This will just be the start though.
You don’t get a founding member of the Green Party and prominent environmentalist appointed to the board of Defra in return for donating funding towards Mr Gove’s constinuency election campaign without any further payback do you?
We are just pawns in the game.
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- Lincolnshire.
I’m sure you are right harmful products will be removed from the list speedily. One of the benefits of Brexit.
The trouble is, by the time we finally diverge from adopting their rules to keep frictionless trade, most of the pesticides may have gone
shakerator
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- LINCS
It doesn’t have EDTA
Probably EDDS
It can’t work without them as the iron isn’t soluble .
Iron phosphate was banned by EU as food additive in 2009. Sluxx appears by magic months later !!
Absolute joke huge hole in regulatory system.
Ie chelator on its own “inert” not subject to regulation. Added to “active ingredient” it becomes critical but no need to mention etc
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shakerator
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- LINCS
Part of me wishes farmers shouting would make a difference !
Exfarmer
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- Bury St Edmunds
EDDS is still recognised as a chelating agent, not sure what is in Sluxx difficult to track down
shakerator
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- LINCS
I know edta is what sluxx says it doesn’t have ...
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
The trouble is, by the time we finally diverge from adopting their rules to keep frictionless trade, most of the pesticides may have gone
I take it from your post you intimate the EU will have the more draconian approach?! If so I have a suspicion that it is more likely once UK takes back control (to use the mantra) the UK government, particularly if Mr Gove et al are still in charge at Defra may prove more draconian and we shall become familiar with immediate withdrawl of prodcuts/actives. But who knows maybe the opposite may happen as UK becomes a low regulation, free market, devil may care economy.
Time will tell.
That's is a key point. This is not an EU ban but a UK one. Metaldehyde remains authorised in 21 EU countries including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.