Who else will join the "New group"
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Danllan
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The inference being that others don't... ? Hmm, I spend virtually every penny of my outgoings in the UK and, as far as possible, on UK manufactured goods and on services. I also pay all of my tax in the UK, I'm raising several future citizen-taxpayers too. I guess my time in the Army won't count with you though, because the meagre total of only about a month of it was spent in France... what was I thinking...
?Very glad to read that you and others are trading with the UK, although we still have a large trade surplus you lot over in Europe. Out of interest, after Brexit are you going to stop all the good you are doing for the UK, or just carry on as usual like the rest of us?
Exfarmer
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Surely @Danllan moving the writ only happens when a seat is vacant due to death imprisonment or resignation ( by applying for some obscure position)
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Well the voters NEVER voted or gave them a "veto", to leave or form a "freeland" faction group did they?
Danllan
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Incorrect, probably...
I am happy to be corrected on this, because Parliamentary Procedure and its minutiae are not a strong point of mine, but... my understanding is that this can also be brought to pass by an MP, usually the Chief Whip of a party, approaching the Speaker (can you spot a potential problem here
), on his approval the matter may be put to the Commons for a vote and, by a simple majority, will pass or fail.Now, this is generally taken to be the practice only when an MP is no longer in a seat, through a technical resignation, death etc.. But, and this is the interesting bit, the practice and the lore surrounding it, are such that it does not absolutely preclude a Writ being moved for a sitting MP. The Commons can, I think, command the Speaker to do the necessary.
My understanding is that the door has been left open with an eye to pragmatic ejection of sitting MPs who cannot be removed for any other reason. Imagine a situation in which an MP spends all day, every day, spying strangers and so forth, thereby making work in the Commons impossible. He hasn't broken a law, he can't be stopped from sitting and so preventing his constituents from being represented, so what can be done to get rid of him? The answer is get the voters to bin him - although it would be fascinating if such an individual was returned, with an increased majority...
We live in politically interesting times, in which the Speaker himself has ignored precedent, and it wouldn't surprise me if we see things attempted which, hitherto, we would not have.
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I believe a by election writ has been moved by someone else in the case of SF "MPs" who for obvious reasons won't take the traditional route for declaring a by election.
Exfarmer
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I rather think if it was possible to unseat these MPs it would be highly difficult as TM iswithout a majority now after these resignations even if every one of the conservatives + DUP voted for it. Of course if the Labour and Cons got together they could unseat ths bunch but it takes 6 weeks and I think would cause a constitutional issue iof a very grave order.Incorrect, probably...
I am happy to be corrected on this, because Parliamentary Procedure and its minutiae are not a strong point of mine, but... my understanding is that this can also be brought to pass by an MP, usually the Chief Whip of a party, approaching the Speaker (can you spot a potential problem here
Now, this is generally taken to be the practice only when an MP is no longer in a seat, through a technical resignation, death etc.. But, and this is the interesting bit, the practice and the lore surrounding it, are such that it does not absolutely preclude a Writ being moved for a sitting MP. The Commons can, I think, command the Speaker to do the necessary.
My understanding is that the door has been left open with an eye to pragmatic ejection of sitting MPs who cannot be removed for any other reason. Imagine a situation in which an MP spends all day, every day, spying strangers and so forth, thereby making work in the Commons impossible. He hasn't broken a law, he can't be stopped from sitting and so preventing his constituents from being represented, so what can be done to get rid of him? The answer is get the voters to bin him - although it would be fascinating if such an individual was returned, with an increased majority...
We live in politically interesting times, in which the Speaker himself has ignored precedent, and it wouldn't surprise me if we see things attempted which, hitherto, we would not have.
As I said before there is a very long history of distinguished politicains crossing the floor and these have not even done this!
Exfarmer
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Traditionally SF polticians have never taken there seat, but declaring the seat vacant and putting it up for reelection would be pointless as they would just be voted in again
Danllan
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If it is a goer, and I am not entirely certain that it is, I would not be surprised to see cross-party cooperation to get by-elections. I don't know if, tactically, it would make more sense to do this a.s.a.p. to put the current lot on the back foot and scare other potential jumpers, or have it hanging over the heads of potential jumpers. I prefer definite things, so would do it now, but I am not TM or JC. Interesting times.
gone
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And great PR for them
Exfarmer
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I think they would have to put a 3 line whip on it and then I suspect there would be many who would not support such a motion. I doubt JC or TM would risk it.
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True, but it seems to suggest there is a precedent to force a by election.
Danllan
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I doubt that a three line whip would be needed, it just requires a simple majority. If the DUP were to help, maybe a couple of independents (e.g. Mr Field) only 190 Tories and half of Labour could see it done. If JC could get more than half of his MPs to follow him, TM would maybe only need a bit over half of hers...
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"Peoples By-Election Campaign"
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They know,we know,but don't stop them from implementing these issues and barriers does it?
Good tweet from a tory mp
Nadine DorriesVerified account @NadineDorries
4. And, enough of people saying they would be welcome back- this is a lie and everyone knows it. Soubry called the PM a racist. Allen said she wants to destroy the party. They are fundamentalists/democracy deniers with incredibly inflated opinions of their own ability.
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Nadine DorriesVerified account @NadineDorries4. And, enough of people saying they would be welcome back- this is a lie and everyone knows it. Soubry called the PM a racist. Allen said she wants to destroy the party. They are fundamentalists/democracy deniers with incredibly inflated opinions of their own ability.
Exfarmer
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Pot calling kettle possiblyGood tweet from a tory mp
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4. And, enough of people saying they would be welcome back- this is a lie and everyone knows it. Soubry called the PM a racist. Allen said she wants to destroy the party. They are fundamentalists/democracy deniers with incredibly inflated opinions of their own ability.
Pot calling kettle possibly
Quite possibly , interesting most of the Indies want a 2nd referendum ... but not on their own seats .