New Zealand food standards and farming practices

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
That's why I think you need one account as a mod.

But TBH I think your actions/ comments are in no way befitting a moderator who should always be impartial ( and this you clearly are not )

Im not bothering to read thru pages of mostly rubbish on this thread, if anyone wants me to answer any particular question/ post then please bring it to my attention.

You wrote it!!!!!!!

Sorry but sometimes I think you’re like TFF’s very own version of Foghorn Leghorn

Never been to NZ and I’m actually very interested in facts about their farming
 
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Devon
Take a concrete pill and harden up precious.

Your happy enough to throw around totally baseless nonsense statements re;Bobbie calves and then get upset when someone calls you out as a pure sh1t talker.

The calves I quoted about in NZ actually happened/ it was common practice and was all over the media.

Are you claiming its fake news??

Also some of the pictures of calving paddocks were shocking.

End of the day all country's have good/ bad farmers but its quite clear that the standards in NZ are lower than the UK and some of what you are allowed to do wouldn't be tolerated/ allowed in the UK, thou im not saying all these things are wrong just that we cannot and will never be allowed to do most of them.

Take Kiwi pete, he runs beef bulls outdoors on grass to 24 months old ( I think the age is ) and then sends them on, would be all but impossible to do a grass based system like that in the UK for bulls as 1 : because of so many footpaths 2 : boundary's of farms/ neighbouring cattle are very close in the UK unlike NZ as generally your farms are much bigger/ spread out and 3 because the abattoirs/supermarkets in the UK don't want bulls over 16 months and they get heavily cut price wise once they are 16 months and 1 day old.

And for what its worth I think kiwi pete's system is a very good low input way to rear bulls.
 
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Devon
You wrote it!!!!!!!

Sorry but sometimes I think you’re like TFF’s very own version of Foghorn Leghorn

Never been to NZ and I’m actually very interested in facts about their farming

You really need to get that remainer chip off your shoulder.

And a lot of people myself included are intrested in NZ farming.
 

Cowabunga

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If dairy Crest would have concentrated on cheese and high value dairy products instead of building a Skim and Butter mountain aided by . Yes you got it the old burnt sausage the EU . Then Felinfach could well be still open
Feinbach was never anything other than a small balancing creamery that was only seasonally in production. It is actually still in production of course, making more advanced products for Volac for agricultural and industrial and food use. Felinfach is a modern dairy production facility based in West Wales and uses the latest membrane filtration and drying technologies to produce Volac’s high-performance whey protein isolates for the sports and active nutrition markets, lactose for use in a range of food applications and base powders for young animal milk formulas.


The drying tower was renewed a couple of years ago.

Here it is by the Yacht Club, straight off the boat from Germany

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JP1

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Livestock Farmer
You really need to get that remainer chip off your shoulder.

And a lot of people myself included are intrested in NZ farming.

What????? Where is the anything about Remain in this?

YOU posted abject statements about bobby calves being left at the end of the drive

READ what YOU wrote and then others that responded to that

You ever been yourself ?
 

DRC

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If dairy Crest would have concentrated on cheese and high value dairy products instead of building a Skim and Butter mountain aided by . Yes you got it the old burnt sausage the EU . Then Felinfach could well be still open
Ellesmere creamery shut, when the one at Mealor, over the border in Wales got preferential grants. Half our village used to work there.
The site is now Tesco’s . The old rennet works is a hardware DIY shop..
 
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Devon
What????? Where is the anything about Remain in this?

YOU posted abject statements about bobby calves being left at the end of the drive

READ what YOU wrote and then others that responded to that

You ever been yourself ?



If you had bothered to read my post above you would have seen that I have replied about Bobby Calves!

The pics etc were all over the media about these calves at the time.

I didn't see the posts in response to my post about the bobby calves as this thread has been very fast moving and I haven't had any chance to read thru it thou I didn't realize there was a time limit on how quickly people have to respond to other posts! When did that rule come in?
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
Feinbach was never anything other than a small balancing creamery that was only seasonally in production. It is actually still in production of course, making more advanced products for Volac for agricultural and industrial and food use. Felinfach is a modern dairy production facility based in West Wales and uses the latest membrane filtration and drying technologies to produce Volac’s high-performance whey protein isolates for the sports and active nutrition markets, lactose for use in a range of food applications and base powders for young animal milk formulas.


The drying tower was renewed a couple of years ago.

Here it is by the Yacht Club, straight off the boat from Germany

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Dairy Crest Felifach had a muti million grant from the EU to install a modern Butter plant as did Whitland . 90 % of its production was shipped off to intervention stores .



Felin Fach Creamery was opened on 10 May 1951 by the Milk Marketing Board, as a development of the milk factory at Pont Llanio (nprn 91430). It received milk daily from up to 2,000 local farms. The creamery was served by rail (the former Lampeter, Aberayron & New Quay Light Railway, nprn 419330), which was used to transport the milk mainly to London, until the railway closed in 1973. Bulk milk distribution, milk powder and butter manufacture were carried out at the creamery; there was also a cattle-breeding centre providing an AI (artificial insemination) service, a laboratory, staff cottages and a transport depot.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
Ellesmere creamery shut, when the one at Mealor, over the border in Wales got preferential grants. Half our village used to work there.
The site is now Tesco’s . The old rennet works is a hardware DIY shop..
They were pushing product into intervetion rather that exploring new markets and products. When quotas cut production they closed overnight
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
Dairy Crest Felifach had a muti million grant from the EU to install a modern Butter plant as did Whitland . 90 % of its production was shipped off to intervention stores .



Felin Fach Creamery was opened on 10 May 1951 by the Milk Marketing Board, as a development of the milk factory at Pont Llanio (nprn 91430). It received milk daily from up to 2,000 local farms. The creamery was served by rail (the former Lampeter, Aberayron & New Quay Light Railway, nprn 419330), which was used to transport the milk mainly to London, until the railway closed in 1973. Bulk milk distribution, milk powder and butter manufacture were carried out at the creamery; there was also a cattle-breeding centre providing an AI (artificial insemination) service, a laboratory, staff cottages and a transport depot.


Not sure what, if any, point you are making. That the EU supported the factory as long as possible until DC or the MMB shut it down? That much is evident. That DC nor the MMB were not inclined to explore other uses for it is hardly the EU's fault. Volac has done and been there now for many many years.

By the way, many of us are still waiting with baited breath, massively excited, to see the superior British Friesian cow pictures that you offered [or was it 'challenged'?] to show. Front back or side. The drone view is slightly disappointing if I'm honest. I was expecting to be 'Wow'd!' and wide eyed :wideyed: with the splendidness of their undoubted superiority to today's Holsteins, my modest herd included.
 
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Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
Not sure what, if any, point you are making. That the EU supported the factory as long as possible until DC or the MMB shut it down? That much is evident. That DC nor the MMB were inclined to explore other uses for it is hardly the EU's fault. Volac has done.
The EU provided a market for a product that was not viable long term
Imagine if I said to you . Produce what you like I have a big hole at the back of the farm that's impossible to fill . What you didnt not bank on was the public outcry at all this rotting food . Suddenly without warning they say sorry the hole is closed . F O and paddle your own canoe
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
The EU provided a market for a product that was not viable long term
Imagine if I said to you . Produce what you like I have a big hole at the back of the farm that's impossible to fill . What you didnt not bank on was the public outcry at all this rotting food . Suddenly without warning they say sorry the hole is closed . F O and paddle your own canoe

But they didn't do that. You actually expanded as soon as the dust settled, so you are living proof that what you say is nonsense. You probably had to cut back a bit for a year or two but as you did so the price of milk increased. Now there's a lesson worth learning if ever I saw one. You panicked at the time and the occasional farmer was caught by bad timing despite warnings being given for a couple of years before it happened. Hmm. Rather like the warnings I'm giving you about a hard Brexit, but you won't listen.

At the end of the day, the quota given to you free by the EU made your fortune. You just cannot get away from that fact however much you might wish to ignore or hide it.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
But they didn't do that. You actually expanded as soon as the dust settled, so you are living proof that what you say is nonsense. You probably had to cut back a bit for a year or two but as you did so the price of milk increased. Now there's a lesson worth learning if ever I saw one. You panicked at the time and the occasional farmer was caught by bad timing despite warnings being given for a couple of years before it happened. Hmm. Rather like the warnings I'm giving you about a hard Brexit, but you won't listen.

At the end of the day, the quota given to you free by the EU made your fortune. You just cannot get away from that fact however much you might wish to ignore or hide it.
Yes we did well at the expense of others . I take no pride in that .
 

Derrick Hughes

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Ceredigion
Thanks, but according to Derek they are "coat hangers" and "goats". I'm sure that his are MUCH better. I only posted the pictures, in good faith, because he invited me to on the promise of posting pictures of his superior beasts. I'm not afraid of being shown up by seeing a superior lot of animals.
Outside in winter grazing Kale. Look at those dropped unders and carrot tits
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Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
They almost certainly did well as culls. The one at the top looks like a hippo cross. Bloody heavy looking thing. The one in the bottom picture at the pointy end of the stick also looked after herself well.

Not quite what I expected I must say. Maybe your holding back the milking cow pictures.
 

digger64

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You are only guessing at the things I've deleted but consider that 2500 litres extra per cow brings in an extra £750 gross income. That's £750/acre is stocked at one per acre. Multiply by say 300 cows and you have £225,000 extra herd income to cover any extra cost. There will be extra cost, of course there will. Mainly extra feed, but that shouldn't add up to more than £200 per cow at the extreme, £60,000 to deduct from £225,000.
True but you normally get alot more rain, stocking rate could be halved ,then going from 20% to 40% repacement needs alot lot more acres that could be growing wheat or something - just something I noticed but it's
a long time ago now .
 
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