Farmer T
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I’ll just leave this here. Interesting reading.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pollution_in_New_Zealand
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pollution_in_New_Zealand
DNA results came back as Western European, basically didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know.I bet you have apparently that's where humanity started
Actually no it wasn't common practice, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen but certainly not representative of the country , and not the first time that the media cherry pick for use, not fake news but definitely manipulated .The calves I quoted about in NZ actually happened/ it was common practice and was all over the media.
Are you claiming its fake news??
Also some of the pictures of calving paddocks were shocking.
End of the day all country's have good/ bad farmers but its quite clear that the standards in NZ are lower than the UK and some of what you are allowed to do wouldn't be tolerated/ allowed in the UK, thou im not saying all these things are wrong just that we cannot and will never be allowed to do most of them.
Take Kiwi pete, he runs beef bulls outdoors on grass to 24 months old ( I think the age is ) and then sends them on, would be all but impossible to do a grass based system like that in the UK for bulls as 1 : because of so many footpaths 2 : boundary's of farms/ neighbouring cattle are very close in the UK unlike NZ as generally your farms are much bigger/ spread out and 3 because the abattoirs/supermarkets in the UK don't want bulls over 16 months and they get heavily cut price wise once they are 16 months and 1 day old.
And for what its worth I think kiwi pete's system is a very good low input way to rear bulls.
Not common practice and the welfare regs state that to leave them that long with no food is illegal, so no different to hereThe calves I quoted about in NZ actually happened/ it was common practice and was all over the media.
Are you claiming its fake news??
Also some of the pictures of calving paddocks were shocking.
End of the day all country's have good/ bad farmers but its quite clear that the standards in NZ are lower than the UK and some of what you are allowed to do wouldn't be tolerated/ allowed in the UK, thou im not saying all these things are wrong just that we cannot and will never be allowed to do most of them.
Take Kiwi pete, he runs beef bulls outdoors on grass to 24 months old ( I think the age is ) and then sends them on, would be all but impossible to do a grass based system like that in the UK for bulls as 1 : because of so many footpaths 2 : boundary's of farms/ neighbouring cattle are very close in the UK unlike NZ as generally your farms are much bigger/ spread out and 3 because the abattoirs/supermarkets in the UK don't want bulls over 16 months and they get heavily cut price wise once they are 16 months and 1 day old.
And for what its worth I think kiwi pete's system is a very good low input way to rear bulls.
Maybe not, but you did it nevertheless. You made your fortune from the EU yet you bitch about it constantly. Everyone must see the hypocrisy in that. If it worries you though [which I know it doesn't], send all the money you made back to them. You could keep the eight to tenfold appreciation in asset value since then as a management fee.Yes we did well at the expense of others . I take no pride in that .
Some nice HOLSTEINS thereHere's some random photos taken in the last four years. Heifers taken this February after insemination and due to PD this coming Monday. Around 30% have repeated from synchronised service to sexed semen.
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I’ll just leave this here. Interesting reading.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pollution_in_New_Zealand
Nonsense, except for the bit about bulls over 16 monthsThe calves I quoted about in NZ actually happened/ it was common practice and was all over the media.
Are you claiming its fake news??
Also some of the pictures of calving paddocks were shocking.
End of the day all country's have good/ bad farmers but its quite clear that the standards in NZ are lower than the UK and some of what you are allowed to do wouldn't be tolerated/ allowed in the UK, thou im not saying all these things are wrong just that we cannot and will never be allowed to do most of them.
Take Kiwi pete, he runs beef bulls outdoors on grass to 24 months old ( I think the age is ) and then sends them on, would be all but impossible to do a grass based system like that in the UK for bulls as 1 : because of so many footpaths 2 : boundary's of farms/ neighbouring cattle are very close in the UK unlike NZ as generally your farms are much bigger/ spread out and 3 because the abattoirs/supermarkets in the UK don't want bulls over 16 months and they get heavily cut price wise once they are 16 months and 1 day old.
And for what its worth I think kiwi pete's system is a very good low input way to rear bulls.
Ffs, what do you think we were trying to get away from. ..Why did not NZ moved to intensive indoor diets. Parts of West Wales cant be that different weather wise
You constantly ask me why I voted leave then call me a hypocrite when I explain why . We all do what we have to do to survive .Maybe not, but you did it nevertheless. You made your fortune from the EU yet you bitch about it constantly. Everyone must see the hypocrisy in that. If it worries you though [which I know it doesn't], send all the money you made back to them. You could keep the eight to tenfold appreciation in asset value since then as a management fee.
They nearly did when the milk price got too highWhy did not NZ moved to intensive indoor diets. Parts of West Wales cant be that different weather wise
We used some NZ bulls for a while .in the 80ts .they were more like a small Holstein. Not as beefy as a FriesianThey nearly did when the milk price got too high
You constantly ask me why I voted leave then call me a hypocrite when I explain why . We all do what we have to do to survive .
We used some NZ bulls for a while .in the 80ts .they were more like a small Holstein. Not as beefy as a Friesian
The calves I quoted about in NZ actually happened/ it was common practice and was all over the media.
Are you claiming its fake news??
Also some of the pictures of calving paddocks were shocking.
End of the day all country's have good/ bad farmers but its quite clear that the standards in NZ are lower than the UK and some of what you are allowed to do wouldn't be tolerated/ allowed in the UK, thou im not saying all these things are wrong just that we cannot and will never be allowed to do most of them.
Take Kiwi pete, he runs beef bulls outdoors on grass to 24 months old ( I think the age is ) and then sends them on, would be all but impossible to do a grass based system like that in the UK for bulls as 1 : because of so many footpaths 2 : boundary's of farms/ neighbouring cattle are very close in the UK unlike NZ as generally your farms are much bigger/ spread out and 3 because the abattoirs/supermarkets in the UK don't want bulls over 16 months and they get heavily cut price wise once they are 16 months and 1 day old.
And for what its worth I think kiwi pete's system is a very good low input way to rear bulls.
If you call farming 3000 sheep not physical I suggest you give it a try . Or 800 beef cattle for that matter . I had one full time lad to helpWhat I object to is that you did very very well out of the EU, more so than out of physically farming, yet pretend constantly that you were really hard done by. The same as you denigrate [and have done in the past as well, fairly harshly and consistently] dairy farmers who have done well by milking milky cows [holsteins] when in fact both you and I know that virtually all your land [courtesy of the EU] was tenanted out to said dairy farmers who provided a very large proportion of your annual income. What the hell is that if not hypocrisy?
If you call farming 3000 sheep not physical I suggest you give it a try . Or 800 beef cattle for that matter . I had one full time lad to help
I dislike Holstiens if that offends you I am sorry
As for most of the other get your facts right before you speak please