Do you get strips in your wheat from rows as it's impossible to pick all pods up with baler
To drill OSR or not
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SilliamWhale
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No can't say I do. But remember we are swathing so that is only what - 14ft wide so we don't have huge swaths.
- Location
- Essex/Herts Border
Like the thinking keep us updated pleaseI've been trying to reduce my reliance on insecticides and take some cost and risk out of Osr growing for some time, I've used some black hss since 2014, tried mustard and Clearfield in 2016 and used sludge or more recently chicken muck.
Back in 2017 we were hit with some large storms before harvest and suffered some brackling in the spring barley, we had a wet cool September and my Osr was all September sown after the main Csfb migration and grew fantastically well with no insecticide, what was noticeable was that where the volunteer barley was thickest there was virtually nil Csfb damage...
Fast forward to 2018 and it all went wrong!! I decided to get some new Conventional seed to change varieties, drilled in September just before some predicted rain that didn't come to much and the Osr sat struggling in the dry and the late Csfb onslaught.
The first reinforcement of what I'd seen previously is that the crops that survived were the Chicken muck treated ones, the rest had DAP spread in front of the drill and they never got going, it was too dry and the N and P wasn't available.
First rule for '19 - apply Chicken muck and Sludge
Secondly my Campus looks far better than the Flamingo, it had more vigour and has grown away for the Larvae damage far better
Second rule for '19 - hss untreated Campus at high seed rates
The chalk banks were hit hardest, is that because the plants are struggling to find locked up P or because the Csfb can find it easier against the pale surface, I think the latter which leads me too...
Third rule for '19 - is to plant a companion crop, but what??
Going back to '17s experience I thought I'd have a try with some spring Rape to replace some failed Flamingo.
I drilled 190 s/m2 of Propino from the heap into the sprayed off Osr
4 weeks later the Barley had 4 leaves on it and after Easter I spread some urea on and drilled in 100 s/m2 of Ability
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The barley looked well knocked by my Sprinter drill But was still well rooted, within a few days it was back up in row
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The Osr is now coming up and the next week will give me an idea if the technique is worth pursuing this autumn, who knows!!!
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Worth a punt, and potentially a better approach than I was advised by a distributor Agronomist recently that a mix of Biscaya and Hallmark was the answer
I'm aware this maybe a flop, but relying on a can is not the answer and we need to try some cultural controls or walk away from the crop.
20 quid/ ha won't break the bank but killing the beneficials will eventually break the bank, imo
Insect / aphid attack is connected to bio electromagnetic radiation which is very connected to plant health which in turn is dependant upon soil health !
Listened to a really interring podcast about this last night but can’t work out how to upload it here !
Listened to a really interring podcast about this last night but can’t work out how to upload it here !
Breakthru
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- Location
- Scottish Borders
Just like the people using it on leatherjackets as not only the last resort but so far as I know the only one its a clear choice a crop or no crop.
Take some of the quango advice reference slugs, picking them by hand and run around with sticky fly papers. Just don't stand on the beneficials.
Doesn't change the fact that if you keep killing the bad guys, you kill the good guys and eventually kill your system
- Location
- Cirencester
We drilled Compass here at 4kg/ha into SB stubbles, some very early, this encouraged any BG to grow, the rest went into nice seedbeds and it all had a dose of Urea. Chitted and came up in row the FB had the lot, then re-drilled at 10kg/ha and had the same thing happen. I thought enough was enough after that. Wont be drilling any this year unless soil conditions are spot on and I think I can get a crop away.
My best ever yields of OSR had sewage sludge under it, worked very well indeed, sold out 2.2/ac, was an unusual crop in that it looked fantastic all season, normally it tends not to yield when it looks great instead the rubbishy looking crops seem to yield, guess more branching etc. I do however enjoy teh challenge of growing it but last year was enough for me!
My best ever yields of OSR had sewage sludge under it, worked very well indeed, sold out 2.2/ac, was an unusual crop in that it looked fantastic all season, normally it tends not to yield when it looks great instead the rubbishy looking crops seem to yield, guess more branching etc. I do however enjoy teh challenge of growing it but last year was enough for me!
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- Bedfordshire
Has anybody tried broadcasting [undressed] rapeseed into a standing spring barley (or wheat) crop in very early august, then combining with a high stubble and chopping straw over what should be by then 1 or 2 leaf OSR plants.
The advantages I can see are that the CSFB don't know the OSR is there and its cheap.
The disadvantages are that you will probably see the combine wheelings, you wouldn't want to bale the straw, headlands might get a bit trampled, and you would probably need a contractor to apply the seed.
Might be worth a go.
EDIT: I am of course assuming there is some moisture by then.
The advantages I can see are that the CSFB don't know the OSR is there and its cheap.
The disadvantages are that you will probably see the combine wheelings, you wouldn't want to bale the straw, headlands might get a bit trampled, and you would probably need a contractor to apply the seed.
Might be worth a go.
EDIT: I am of course assuming there is some moisture by then.
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- Location
- Bedfordshire
I chew straw on one side of my mouth - will I understand it?
Surely an autocast is the way to go in this case? You will do quite a bit of damage in a nearly ripe crop and you need a boom spreader really. Autocast gets rid of these problems.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
A fair bit was spun into stood wheat in the wet of 2011 or 12. Iirc undressed seed in slug pellet spinner on the front of a sprayer at the same time crops were dessicated. Crops combined a month later and straw chopped.
None of this gets round the next problem of the inevitable ban of propyzamide.....
None of this gets round the next problem of the inevitable ban of propyzamide.....
ollie989898
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Autocast system, although a fair few people used to broadcast rape and turnip seed into standing crops just a moment before harvest so the forage crop would be there and going away sooner.
I suspect flea beetles find their preferred food the same way as other insects- smell them out or can detect the different wavelengths of light that different plants emit- what all looks green to us humans is perceived very differently by many insects.
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- Bedfordshire
But I want the rape crop growing at the point of harvest.
Been there and done that with autocast.
If the ban propyz. then that will be the final nail in the crop's coffin, after slugs, erucic acid and CSFB
Been there and done that with autocast.
If the ban propyz. then that will be the final nail in the crop's coffin, after slugs, erucic acid and CSFB
ollie989898
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That is what I mean- put the fertiliser spreader on and fling it into the crop a month before harvest?
So you think that having it in earlier will outweigh cost of extra pass over and above autocast? I can't imagine cotyledon osr will grow as well through a mat of chopped straw as germinating seedling? Also as you say combine and trailer wheelings will show up more than in an autocast situation as you will kill young plants I would have thought.
I’ve done this with mustard, cover crop mixes and turnips into standing crops a week before harvest. A neighbour brought his pneumatic fertilser spreader in. Great results in 2017 with constant rain to get it going. I didn’t do as much last year as it was very dry. What cover crops I did do were very thin where it chitted and dried out. In a really wet year I’d be worried about slugs under the layer of chopped straw.
At least you’d have another opportunity to resow if it failed.
dirty harry
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- east of east midlands!
I’ve always thought it better to remove the straw before rape as the last few years found the csfb hiding up the chopped bits of stem esp in the heat of the day?
But got me thinking is chopping better....?
Cheers dh
But got me thinking is chopping better....?
Cheers dh
- Location
- Bedfordshire
I was contemplating exactly this right up until I lost another field in early April, now I’m out of OSR for the foreseeable