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Up to 2000 miles between breakdowns.
New defender 10/9/19
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Rowland
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Well I’ll not get one because it’s too this and that’s no good it’s just a , and well it’s its it’s not a Defender!!!!
But you said the Old Defender was too this and that’s no good and it’s just a, and well well well well it’s not a jap pick.
Some people will never be happy.
The one that’s available at the moment is a good replacement for the older Disco models.
I’m probably going to wait and see what the 90 commercial looks like and the spec is with engines price etc before I decide what to do about my deposit.
But you said the Old Defender was too this and that’s no good and it’s just a, and well well well well it’s not a jap pick.
Some people will never be happy.
The one that’s available at the moment is a good replacement for the older Disco models.
I’m probably going to wait and see what the 90 commercial looks like and the spec is with engines price etc before I decide what to do about my deposit.
Johnnyboxer
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At a glance the side view does does look a bit Mini like!
Hilly
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Anyone had a drive of one yet ?
Cowabunga
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The original Discovery was pretty reliable for the get-go. The reason for this is that it was just a cosmetic update on the Classic Range Rover but with the new 200TDi engine that was in a different league to any diesel engine they had before, including the VM2.4 fitted to RR since 1987.
The only problems I had with my early 1990 Discovery were loosening injector return pipe unions that needed Locktite, and rear door hinges that tended to droop. I ran the RR along with it for a couple of years when I changed the Disco for a Land Cruiser Amazon 80 series. Those were the days!
Highway star
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How can it be so expensive seeing as it's made in Slovakia
Cowabunga
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You could ask the same for the Porsche Cayenne and Audi Q7 ranges. And what about the BMW X ranges and the Mercedes GLE and GLS, which all come from the land of the very cheap car, the USA?
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The whole concept of the original Series or Defender was its's ability to transformed into thousands of low volume options for all sorts of uses, from the military to firefighting and everything in between. This new effort just looks like another school run vehicle.
Cowabunga
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I'm sure it is very capable but limiting it to what used to be niche models in the range, namely the equivalent of County Station Wagons, is surely not making the best use of sales opportunities, especially as it is most likely to cannibalise sales from the Discovery5 which is already a very weak seller.
I've no idea who the marketing 'geniuses' at JLR are, but while the vehicles in isolation are very nice indeed, pointing them all at the same customer demographic must surely be a huge mistake. They can try and kid themselves that they are aimed at different types of people, but we all know so much bullcrap when we hear it, don't we.
Rowland
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How hard would that be to do on a modern production line ? Very difficult I’d guess. The old Defender that no one bought and complained bitterly about had gone! Everyone needs to get over it . Things change nothing stays the same.
LR have made quite a few mistakes with vehicles of late but the cars they produce are , bar reliability some of the best on the road in each class.
Hilly
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I was show some pics of 90 today I have not seen before looked great , I think I’m beginning to want one ! Will be getting a demo ASAP .
Cowabunga
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Very easy and profitable to achieve actually. Pickups are not niche, they are a massive sector worldwide. The best selling vehicle in the USA, which sells nearly ONE MILLION units a year, mainly in its home market, is the Ford F150 pickup truck.
With a chassis, it is easy to mix different cab sizes and trim levels with different bodies, including just chassis-cabs so that the customer can get a customised bed of their own choosing from third party manufacturers.
I am not a great fan of manufacturers who build-in obsolescence into the design of a box chassis made of pee-poorly protected fairly low grade steel. However the manufacturing flexibility and potential low cost make a compelling argument if done well.
I've nothing against the new Defender monocoque design apart from the fact that it lacks the design and assembly flexibility that is required to build a diverse range of styles to suit all applications. It is unlikely that the new Defender will manifest itself as a pickup truck, for instance. Not at all with any cab configuration.
The advantage is that it will probably last longer than a box steel chassis and can be built on the same line as other similar vehicles in the range, in this case the Discovery5 immediately, but probably on the Range Rover line as well. Or if circumstances become desperate, they could move production of both Range Rovers to the same line as the other two, utilising the same body presses and core components for all models.
Rowland
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Then why don’t others do it ?
Cowabunga
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Just how many brands of pickup trucks are you missing out on seeing, do you mean? I'm not going to list them, there are just too many.
If you mean why don't others make unibody trucks, well they do, by the truckload. SUV's like the new Defender. Land Rover make them for a start. So do Mercedes and BMW. The Mercedes used to have a box chassis but redesigned after only four or five years in production to eliminate it. The Mercedes is very capable off road and so is the Tuareg with the off-road package. No separate box chassis there either. Or on the Rolls Cullinan which is another very underrated car for the rough stuff.
You may say that these are not aimed at the same owner as the Defender, but in the same breath say that the Defender is no longer aimed at the farmer or utility company. So in reality they are aimed at the same sort of market, hoping to appeal more than their rivals.
Rowland
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I’ll going to honest here I never read all of your posts they are to long winded and boring.
I’m sorry to say.
Cowabunga
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Don't worry, I seldom read any of yours. They are too shallow and poorly written. I do sympathise with your lack of both reading and writing ability though.
Rowland
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I’ll agree with you on poorly written but that’s due to my dyslexia.
I don’t need to know the fine technical details of a car . It doesn’t s really bother me like 99 % of the rest of the car buying population.
I’ll expect more so with the female buyers of cars .
It’s not an insult you do seam to know or appear to know the finer details that are very unimportant but but g it’s boring.
I don’t need to know the fine technical details of a car . It doesn’t s really bother me like 99 % of the rest of the car buying population.
I’ll expect more so with the female buyers of cars .
It’s not an insult you do seam to know or appear to know the finer details that are very unimportant but but g it’s boring.
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