Covid 19.. Milk price impact?

daveydiesel1 · Apr 5, 2020

How come in times like this its never the other way round with meal fert droppin in price and milk beef increasin. It always seems to be the farmer sufferin and every1 else gets the money up. Am not sayin the grain growers should get slashed but i would put money on it that the price o soya maize and everythin else is up but the farmer in america sellin this stuf wont be gettin anymore, probably gettiin less and gettin told its cause o covid 19. Far as i see anythin does for an excuse.

farmer on a bike · Apr 5, 2020

Whilst I agree that we are all in for a rough ride, we are still in a much better position than a lot of businesses and we should not forget that. I suggest everyone Should read Guy Smith’s article in FW this week. If farmers are seen to be making demands for higher prices and seen to be trying to profit from this our image will be totally trashed. If we are seen to be quietly doing everything we can to help the people in there hour of need, eventually we will benefit.

i actually think perhaps we should be allowing people to walk off foot paths so they can spread out better. People need to exercise for there mental well being, we are the lucky ones not being shut inside looking at four walls and we should not forget it.

Mouser · Apr 5, 2020

farmer on a bike said:
Whilst I agree that we are all in for a rough ride, we are still in a much better position than a lot of businesses and we should not forget that. I suggest everyone Should read Guy Smith’s article in FW this week. If farmers are seen to be making demands for higher prices and seen to be trying to profit from this our image will be totally trashed. If we are seen to be quietly doing everything we can to help the people in there hour of need, eventually we will benefit.

i actually think perhaps we should be allowing people to walk off foot paths so they can spread out better. People need to exercise for there mental well being, we are the lucky ones not being shut inside looking at four walls and we should not forget it.

That gets a half like. The main point is nobody is calling for higher prices, prices are being slashed for no reason from an already unsustainable position for some. The industry is worth fighting for and unfortunately a time of need is the only time joe public will listen.

Beef farmer · Apr 5, 2020

farmer on a bike said:
Whilst I agree that we are all in for a rough ride, we are still in a much better position than a lot of businesses and we should not forget that. I suggest everyone Should read Guy Smith’s article in FW this week. If farmers are seen to be making demands for higher prices and seen to be trying to profit from this our image will be totally trashed. If we are seen to be quietly doing everything we can to help the people in there hour of need, eventually we will benefit.

i actually think perhaps we should be allowing people to walk off foot paths so they can spread out better. People need to exercise for there mental well being, we are the lucky ones not being shut inside looking at four walls and we should not forget it.

I agree wholeheartedly. But, there is always a but..... the supermarkets selling cheap polish beef, never trashed their image when they are profiteering.

Tarw Coch · Apr 5, 2020

I agree that farmers are in a better place than many buisness s in this pandemic and shouldn’t be seen to be profiteering or demanding any special respect for what we do however I see no harm in pointing out some of the simple facts, farm gate prices in most instances are falling at a time of empty shelves in the supermarkets, the public can work the rest out for themselves

farmer on a bike · Apr 5, 2020

Beef farmer said:
I agree wholeheartedly. But, there is always a but..... the supermarkets selling cheap polish beef, never trashed their image when they are profiteering.

I think the polish beef is tarnishing their image, and some won’t forget Asda and Sainsbury’s actions

farmer on a bike · Apr 5, 2020

Tarw Coch said:
I agree that farmers are in a better place than many buisness s in this pandemic and shouldn’t be seen to be profiteering or demanding any special respect for what we do however I see no harm in pointing out some of the simple facts, farm gate prices in most instances are falling at a time of empty shelves in the supermarkets, the public can work the rest out for themselves

I don’t disagree, but it has to be done carefully, because exactly as you say, the public can work the rest out for themselves

Beef farmer · Apr 5, 2020

While we are having a moan, drop the key worker bollox. We aren't doing anything different to if covid19 wasnt here. People wanting recognition for getting up to milk the cows is pathetic. The NHS staff on the front line are the key workers, risking all. The farmers and lorry drivers are just doing what they did a month ago. Makes me cringe to see people on social media asking the public to clap for farmers. Ffs

Yorkshiregrazer28 · Apr 5, 2020

farmer on a bike said:
I think the polish beef is tarnishing their image, and some won’t forget Asda and Sainsbury’s actions

I agree with that point but what about the horse meat scandal by Tesco, that’s all been forgotten about?

som farmer · Apr 5, 2020

farmer on a bike said:
Whilst I agree that we are all in for a rough ride, we are still in a much better position than a lot of businesses and we should not forget that. I suggest everyone Should read Guy Smith’s article in FW this week. If farmers are seen to be making demands for higher prices and seen to be trying to profit from this our image will be totally trashed. If we are seen to be quietly doing everything we can to help the people in there hour of need, eventually we will benefit.

i actually think perhaps we should be allowing people to walk off foot paths so they can spread out better. People need to exercise for there mental well being, we are the lucky ones not being shut inside looking at four walls and we should not forget it.

c19, will offer the chance, to s/mkts, to stop this destructive policy, of selling the cheapest product, perhaps a 're-set' button. But farmers must realise that a lot of the prices we receive, are influenced by world prices, and we have to compete with them, it is also the reason we get ag support. The beef is getting a hammering at the moment, with rumour that 400 t polish beef has come in, while I totally agree it is wrong for us, is it wrong for the gen public? And that answer is no, the public want/need cheap food, quality of that, for the majority is irrelevant, the price s/mkt set in shop, is set by their 'greed'. The same logic, applies through most of g product, whether we like it or not, and simply show, why subs are a double edged sword, as we are looking at the end of them in the UK. On many farms, at the present time, we simply cannot compete with world price, on many products, it's no good shouting how much better our product is, over imported, while true, it has no relevance to the majority of the uk, who after c19, are going to be skint, as will be the UK ! The truth is, we have to get nearer that world price, to compete.
I can't help but think, guv policy to keep people in lock down, on a lovely day like this, is wrong, it would help the 'incarcerated' both mentally, and physically, to be out in this. I both know, and realise the point of lock down, is correct, but, for those poor people having to live with it, I feel really sad, for them, to miss this sun.

som farmer · Apr 5, 2020

Yorkshiregrazer28 said:
I agree with that point but what about the horse meat scandal by Tesco, that’s all been forgotten about?

the only lasting points of cheap imports, are price, if it's cheaper, it's good, forget the 'it's better' shite, the majority of people don't care, or even can't afford to care. That 'better' quote, only rings the bell, for a very small % of population, that can afford it. Read my post above !

frederick · Apr 5, 2020

I do think the outrage over polish beef is just farmer posturing.

People stopped eating out they went to the supermarket and wanted mince. The uk could not meet that demand so they imported some to help fill the shelves.

The uk beef industry is now restructuring. It will now be mincing prime cuts which will reduce the value of the beef carcass. Those that complain about the imports will now complain about the reduced value of there animals and the supermarkets are screwing them.

All that is really happening is the customer wants mince and the supermarkets are trying to give it to them.

Davy · Apr 5, 2020

farmer on a bike said:
I think the polish beef is tarnishing their image, and some won’t forget Asda and Sainsbury’s actions

You reckon. The whole horse meat scandal was soon forgotten

Bald Rick · Apr 5, 2020

Beef farmer said:
While we are having a moan, drop the key worker bollox. We aren't doing anything different to if covid19 wasnt here. People wanting recognition for getting up to milk the cows is pathetic. The NHS staff on the front line are the key workers, risking all. The farmers and lorry drivers are just doing what they did a month ago. Makes me cringe to see people on social media asking the public to clap for farmers. Ffs

Dang ... I agree with you.

Although our full time staff have to drive in to work so I have given them a letter each to hand to plod stating that our business cannot function without their help and if plod would be kind enough to let them pass, I would be muchly obliged

Tarw Coch · Apr 5, 2020

Beef farmer said:
While we are having a moan, drop the key worker bollox. We aren't doing anything different to if covid19 wasnt here. People wanting recognition for getting up to milk the cows is pathetic. The NHS staff on the front line are the key workers, risking all. The farmers and lorry drivers are just doing what they did a month ago. Makes me cringe to see people on social media asking the public to clap for farmers. Ffs

We are very lucky in farming that for the most part we don’t have to work with many others and then more often than not we don’t need to be in close proximity.
Those sitting on supermarket checkouts are in far more danger than we are, plenty of days at work where I see no one but immediate family, plenty more when the only other person I see is the one that works here. As far as my work environment goes I see relatively few people compared to most jobs which is bound to have its advantages in the current situation.

Davy · Apr 5, 2020

I'm pretty sure none of us are wanting to profiteer from the situation, as the supermarkets appear to be. There's a big difference between profiteering and business as usual. It would be nice if the demand for food, be it milk or meat, would at least keep our prices stable. Im not asking for a price rise, but im certainly asking it not be slashed.

Aircooled · Apr 5, 2020

Davy said:
You reckon. The whole horse meat scandal was soon forgotten

My family hasn't shopped in Tesco's since and I have been wondering if we (farmers)were to ask to speak to the manager on the shop floor of Sainsbury's to register a complaint as customers everytime origin of product was questionable etc etc . Might listen to their customers if we were queuing up at the complaints counter on a regular basis !

The Agrarian · Apr 5, 2020

frederick said:
I do think the outrage over polish beef is just farmer posturing.

People stopped eating out they went to the supermarket and wanted mince. The uk could not meet that demand so they imported some to help fill the shelves.

The uk beef industry is now restructuring. It will now be mincing prime cuts which will reduce the value of the beef carcass. Those that complain about the imports will now complain about the reduced value of there animals and the supermarkets are screwing them.

All that is really happening is the customer wants mince and the supermarkets are trying to give it to them.

Sorry but that's rubbish. I have contacts who know a fair bit of what goes on behind the scenes of the abbatoirs, and polish beef was coming in long before any coronavirus problem came about. All coming in boxed. All being fed into local butchers too.

Has anyone ever asked their butcher for the traceability of the beef on the counter? Or do you just take their word for it, or more like just assume it's local without asking?

Aircooled · Apr 5, 2020

The Agrarian said:
Sorry but that's rubbish. I have contacts who know a fair bit of what goes on behind the scenes of the abbatoirs, and polish beef was coming in long before any coronavirus problem came about. All coming in boxed. All being fed into local butchers too.

Now you're going to have to name the butcher's

Tarw Coch · Apr 5, 2020

The Agrarian said:
Sorry but that's rubbish. I have contacts who know a fair bit of what goes on behind the scenes of the abbatoirs, and polish beef was coming in long before any coronavirus problem came about. All coming in boxed. All being fed into local butchers too.

Also been plenty of allegations for a long time of polish beef going into Ireland then coming over here labelled as Irish

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