Grass Renovation thread

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
This is perhaps due to the large grant available in Wales to buy them.
I thought the grant was for your own use rather than contracting so I may be wrong.
No comment , My lad has not had the grant "and thats all im going to say on that"
I call him my lad , hes a local contractors son who I think the world off
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
This is perhaps due to the large grant available in Wales to buy them.
I thought the grant was for your own use rather than contracting so I may be wrong.

There has been a grant scheme available for a couple of years (now finished), where a direct drill was one of the items on the eligible list for 40%. A near identical scheme has been running in England too, but the spec of eligible items is slightly different. I'm not sure on the stipulations re contracting on the English scheme, but the Welsh one expressly prohibits use of those machines for contracting, not that it could really be policed.
 

7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
The grants are there to help you become more efficient, as well as helping people step towards burning up less soil carbon and fossil fuel. Min-till cultivators were on it too iirc, anything but ploughs and combi-drills.
Yeah right. How much carbon is burnt producing these drills, and mounted disks that get parked in the back of the shed never to be used again ? The latest wheeze on here is to manage without N fertiliser. I fully expect the ignorant powers that be in WAG to lap up all this drivel and impose a Nitrogen tax......
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
Yeah right. How much carbon is burnt producing these drills, and mounted disks that get parked in the back of the shed never to be used again ? The latest wheeze on here is to manage without N fertiliser. I fully expect the ignorant powers that be in WAG to lap up all this drivel and impose a Nitrogen tax......
I can think of at least 10 adavatages of direct drilling on a level field . I could only think of one with a plough , the ability to bury strawy muck . Be interesting to see in 12 Months time how many of my advantages remain intact
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
That sight is pure heaven to me , 3 years ago my grazer refused to put firtilizer on it, he said there was nothing there that was worth it
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7610 super q

Never Forgotten
Honorary Member
I can think of at least 10 adavatages of direct drilling on a level field . I could only think of one with a plough , the ability to bury strawy muck . Be interesting to see in 12 Months time how many of my advantages remain intact
Yes DD hasn't really been tested long term....unless you count the spell in the 1970's....where it failed. I don't mind what other folks do, it's when ideas get imposed on others that bothers me. Does No till corn yield more than conventional ? If it gave double the yields, I'd be a lot more interested.
 

Derrick Hughes

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Location
Ceredigion
Yes DD hasn't really been tested long term....unless you count the spell in the 1970's....where it failed. I don't mind what other folks do, it's when ideas get imposed on others that bothers me. Does No till corn yield more than conventional ? If it gave double the yields, I'd be a lot more interested.
Why does it have to give double the yield ?
I can remember Dairy House Farm ICI direct drilling kale in the 70ts ,worked well . Farming has stagnated in the last 20 years . Why ! , farm subs ! , and we not long have Adas and ICI doing on farm resurch, it seems to be left to farmers to find out for themselves
 

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
No comment , My lad has not had the grant "and thats all im going to say on that"
I call him my lad , hes a local contractors son who I think the world off
Must be a bit frustrating for him when they set up with an expensive machine and then every tom dick and Harry gets a similar machine for nearly half price for their own use only and then go out contracting at a low price!
 

Spudie

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Location
Ards C.Down
Sowed westerwold over failed spring barley, how long next year could you cut it for as was told it was an annual. Never grew it before and no one I knows have grown it either.
 

Great In Grass

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Location
Cornwall.
Sowed westerwold over failed spring barley, how long next year could you cut it for as was told it was an annual. Never grew it before and no one I knows have grown it either.
It should take you through next year and into spring 2022. Westworlds will set seed in its year of sowing so there is a possibility of it self-seeding later this year.
 
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Spudie

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Location
Ards C.Down
Was cleaned of for whole crop ish today to give it a chance as alot of barley came through after the drought. If I cut it again then run ewes over winter with that stopping it setting seed,would that mean a cut of it next year would be its limit. Sorry for stupid question but wanting to see if I could make it fit in for short grass rotation on my small scale to keep things fresh.
 

Great In Grass

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Location
Cornwall.
Was cleaned of for whole crop ish today to give it a chance as alot of barley came through after the drought. If I cut it again then run ewes over winter with that stopping it setting seed,would that mean a cut of it next year would be its limit. Sorry for stupid question but wanting to see if I could make it fit in for short grass rotation on my small scale to keep things fresh.
Yes, that should be fine. As you say cut the crop before it becomes over-mature to prevent it from shedding viable seeds then let the sheep control it from there on in.
 

Kiwi Pete

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Livestock Farmer
Who decided that a DD was worthy of a grant, but a combi drill wasn't ? It's setting a dangerous precedent IMO.
It's basically all to reinforce the same quaint (but economically crucial) notion that things need replaced and replanted and renewed all the time.

Food from perennials is "bad" for this very reason, because there is so little cost involved. It's got few downsides.

Therefore, annual and short-term cropping is pretty pivotal to making sure plenty of money makes it's way back to town (y) hence my tongue-in-cheek post a few pages ago.
 

Derrick Hughes

Member
Location
Ceredigion
Sowed westerwold over failed spring barley, how long next year could you cut it for as was told it was an annual. Never grew it before and no one I knows have grown it either.
  • Annual grass that lasts 1-2 years
  • Extremely fast growing and establishment (fastest growing grass available) (Annual type of Italian Ryegrass)
  • Very high yielding and high sugar
  • Super fast germination, establishment and early spring growth
  • Will grow in lower soil conditions to other grasses, which means there is a bigger growing season
  • Ideal for silage, haylage and hay (can be grazed but sward will be open)
  • Will provide a seed head in the same year of sowing
  • Responds well to fertiliser
  • Nitrogen Lifter
  • East to manage & establish
  • Weed suppressor
  • Brilliant first cut
  • Sow straight at 12-15kg per acre
 

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