Buying Top quality meat ? why so hard ?

Gulli

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Why is this SO hard ?

One of the positives of this awful lockdown year for me so far is that I have had time to do something I have wanted for a long time ............. learn to cook

I spent some money saved from a canceled ski holiday on a fancy smoker BBQ (Big Green Egg) back in March and have cooked almost daily on it ever since, surprising myself with what I am actually capable of cooking and as a bonus, no one has died yet !

So as you get into these things, join Facebook groups, forums, watch youtube etc you start to get more ambitious and want to try more unusual things, it becomes more than just food, its a new hobby at this point and as a result what you become prepared to spend raises accordingly.

I'm not alone, there is a big scene of other middle-aged twits like me all into this, mostly with money to spend - I can't help but feel the UK livestock industry is missing out here

YET (and here is the point of this thread) Top quality meat, particularly the unusual (expensive) cuts are very hard to get? why is this? I read constantly on here that British grass fed beef is "better" but where is it when I come to try to buy it ?

The first stop was the village butcher in a village a few miles away (my village has no shops anymore sadly) It's all very traditional looking and surely worth a premium over the supermarkets ? ............. but no, I've come to learn the meat is nothing special, no real provenance and pre-cut from wholesalers just being retailed. Ther first time I asked for a Picanha for example they hadn't got a clue what I was on about, I had to google it for them and what I got, in the end, wasn't really done properly.

I tried another local butcher (a bit further away but of BIG local reputation, I ordered Brisket and it turned up rolled ! I asked for "packer cut" they had no idea what I was on about despite the internet and a million youtube video's about cooking such cuts

Jacobs ladder, beef short rib, 4 rib, Tomahawks etc all command premium prices but are really hard to get until you discover the gems that do butcher their own carcasses like Tori nad Bens Fram shop etc Grass-fed Longhorn with quality and provenance worth paying for proving that these places do exist and do know how to provide what customers like me want and reap the premium price rewards to match, why are they so "hidden" though? why not the normal rather than the exception ?


One place I have found you can get the unusual and better cuts is Costco ..................... but it's more often than not USDA and imported! I don't want to buy that but have done as it's so much easier


My question is why is this rare? what are not more livestock farms not butchering retailing direct? surely the internet has made it easier than ever before to cut out the middlemen who from what I see are doing a very poor job of butchering and retailing your products?
Simple economics mainly. The reason most of the shops you've spoken to don't know what those cuts are is because no one wants them.
Despite the fact that you've found a 'big' scene of people who want these cuts, it's actually a tiny proportion of any shops customer base
 

Fast Farmer

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Livestock Farmer
The question is where do farm shops get there meat from?? I know one local to Shrewsbury has been seen at a local abattoir buying beef from unknown source presumably British we hope! and selling it in there shop as local Shropshire beef.... 😓
 

C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
Of course you local farm shop may have doubled its turn over since March and can no longer find enough medium weight heifers ,and is having to sell under finnished steer instead.
 

yellowbelly

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Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
My point is though for you livestock producers - why are not more of you not butchering and retailing direct, online at a premium?


why are the good places the exception?
Sadly, it's because for every customer like you Clive, who want (and more importantly can afford to buy it) there are literally thousands upon thousands of other customers who are only interested in buying their meat as cheaply as possible. They don't really care about the quality they just want to pay less for it than they did last week.

We've got into that 'pile it high and sell it cheap' ethos because the price premium commanded by supplying your very limited market can not match selling, what has just become a commodity, into a mass market.

I'm not saying it's right, far from it - it's just basic economics.
 

tepapa

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
In order to sell one fancy cut of meat you need to sell/get rid of the rest of the carcass. What do you do if you plan to kill one beast/animal a month but you still have a quarter left from last month?. On top of that you have trading standards and environmental health on your case making sure weights are right and your cutting area and fridges/freezers are all clean and recorded.

Your a busy farmer and fill 6days a week doing farm work producing the product. When exactly do you get time to market your produce? You need to prepare and pack it and wait for collection/meet with the customer or deliver it as well as take orders. Since you don't have time you need to employ someone with the necessary skills to do it. Are these people available? And are they prepared to work just one or two days a week/month?
Now let's work out the capital expenditure to set up a cutting room and fridges or do we expect the local butcher to do the work when you are infact direct competition.

It's a great idea an a few people do it successfully but it's not straight forward for every farmer to do it to please a small number of middle class people.
 

Hampton

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BASIS
Location
Shropshire
Sorry, what I recommended was good family butchers who have been providing quality meat in their area for generations.
I hadn’t read the later posts requiring internet pretentiousness.
If you asked for a single rib of beef they would have known what you meant, or a ribeye with the bone on. Not sure how transatlantic your local butchers are.
PinCana is the Portuguese word for sirloin but cut higher. What’s wrong with a sirloin? Why would every butcher be expected to know that. It’s easy to be niche when you are small, but a pincana will basically bugger a whole sirloin for a few steaks.
 

bitwrx

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My point is though for you livestock producers - why are not more of you not butchering and retailing direct, online at a premium?


why are the good places the exception?
Butchering is a *highly* skilled profession. Making money at it is another skill entirely, but no less demanding.

You ask why livestock farmers don't butcher their own animals? The answer is self-evident; they are livestock farmers, not butchers (for the most part). It's the same reason arable farmers aren't pâtissiers.

Different job entirely.
 
Ok here is my penny worth.
Example. How much beef have supermarkets and retailers managed to persuade people NOT to eat?
3 days hanging is no good for beef. It’s bloody awful. Chawy tasteless tough bloody stuff. 3 weeks and the same beef is beautiful. But hang on if they hung it all properly then the shelf life would be shortened and the option to re direct this no uptake pre packed beef would be lost. And therefore the cycle continues where we continue to educate the youngsters that beef CAN be very bland. Not to mention the more tasty cuts not even being available. We can export them it’s much easier.
 

Hilly

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Ok here is my penny worth.
Example. How much beef have supermarkets and retailers managed to persuade people NOT to eat?
3 days hanging is no good for beef. It’s bloody awful. Chawy tasteless tough bloody stuff. 3 weeks and the same beef is beautiful. But hang on if they hung it all properly then the shelf life would be shortened and the option to re direct this no uptake pre packed beef would be lost. And therefore the cycle continues where we continue to educate the youngsters that beef CAN be very bland. Not to mention the more tasty cuts not even being available. We can export them it’s much easier.
You forgot a grading system that works on quantity over quality in times of plenty , out dated or what.
 
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snarling bee

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Arable Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
Best beef I have ever had is in Cape Town. Every steak was superb. Most of it you could cut with the back of the knife or just the fork. Incredible. In fact I would go back there just for the steaks.
Tastiest meat was a buffalo steak in Darwin in 1983. Tried buffalo since and it has not reproduced it.

Worst meat was Kenya. I almost went veggie.
 

Spud

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Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
My point is though for you livestock producers - why are not more of you not butchering and retailing direct, online at a premium?


why are the good places the exception?

A wise man said to me many years ago 'Do what you do best, and do it better, you can't be everything to everybody' - farmers farm, butchers butcher, very few people have the capacity (financially or physically) to do both, never mind do it well.

Many farm shop butchers have what virtually amounts to a joint venture - a commitment from both sides to supply what the shop requires, at regular intervals - this allows both parties to really focus on the quality of their individual aspects, without distraction and dilution.

Too many enterprises, without sufficient scale and structure results in a dilution of standards (and lower profitability) But I'm sure you know that.

(very few people need fancy toys (funded by money 'saved' from a skiing holiday....*rollseyes*) to cook good meat well either...)
 

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