Buying Top quality meat ? why so hard ?

nelly55

Member
Location
Yorkshire
When I haven’t had a private kill done ,I get meat from the slaughter house that buys my cattle.Always buys a full top ,or other cuts and her indoors cuts it up.Beautiful meat ,haven’t a clue what supermarkets do to it.When we sold meat from our farm shop we hung it for 30 days,and educated some how to cook it.As one good food guide put it on recommending our beef .What you see is what you eat.
 
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An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
for beef give me a very well Finished dairy cull cow and ideally shot it in the middle off the field no stress. and hang it for 5weeks minimum

@Kiwi Pete is you your man as he in to regen ag and has done a lot off home butchery

You are pretty much spot on there. Had to have a home kill, first time ever, as it was an animal that wouldn't be able to travel under modern regs. Had it shot on farm, hung for 30 days and it is probably the best beef we have ever had. Wife, was technical manager in the food industry, puts this down to no stress at slaughter and the hanging period. The difference is immense.
Local butcher culled, hung and cut the beast for me. I doubt he knows your "fancy cuts" @Clive but it hasn't stopped it being first class beef.
 

Bongodog

Member
Back when we had a village butchers shop, I had popped in to get our reasonably regular order of 2 t bone steaks for Saturday evening, in front of me was a rather rotund lady with her son of similar proportions stocking up on pork bellies (before they became trendy) and such like. After she departed with bulging bags for not much money the butcher informed me that she was a far better customer than I was. I only bought the stuff he could easily sell, she regularly bought the stuff he struggled to get rid of.
A butcher I know presently has 2 outlets one in a village and one in an affluent town, its far easier to sell the trendy stuff in town, some of it is things that the village folk will look at and declare to be expensive rubbish only bought due to it being in favour with tv chefs. They want a nice piece of leg of pork not a pigs trotter, a chickens breasts not its feet etc. He's fortunate in a way though two rather different outlets probably allows him to sell all the carcase.

Many butchers used to go to the cattlemarket buy their beasts and next see them as carcasses delivered from the abbattoir, Where now could a butcher attend a mart and purchase beef, lamb and pork ? Very few marts handle pigs on a regular basis and finished beef cattle at marts are few in number.

Is it any wonder some butchers buy cuts rather than carcasses if it results in them not having wastage.
 

upnortheast

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Best beef I have ever had is in Cape Town. Every steak was superb. Most of it you could cut with the back of the knife or just the fork. Incredible. In fact I would go back there just for the steaks.
Tastiest meat was a buffalo steak in Darwin in 1983. Tried buffalo since and it has not reproduced it.

Worst meat was Kenya. I almost went veggie.
When we go out to eat I hardly ever have a steak.. Been disappointed too many times. Yet order a steak pies and often have tasty tender meat in them ? Best steaks I've had was in USA with the best ever 15 stories up in a resteraunt in Louisville. Kentucky.
 

Rattie

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Cambs
I know that I am really, really lucky, but we have a truly amazing butchers rent space in our farm shop (www.leechandsons.co.uk) They have their own family run abattoir, which makes them very rare and literally everything is local and from known producers (including my Organic beef and pork). We are just outside Cambridge and perhaps have a market to support them, but the cuts of meat in the OP are standard in their cabinet. They have worked really hard to educate and push the unusual.

Ps @Clive , you bought the wrong Kamado! (KamadoJoe !)
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d-wales

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Location
Wales
Why is this SO hard ?

One of the positives of this awful lockdown year for me so far is that I have had time to do something I have wanted for a long time ............. learn to cook

I spent some money saved from a canceled ski holiday on a fancy smoker BBQ (Big Green Egg) back in March and have cooked almost daily on it ever since, surprising myself with what I am actually capable of cooking and as a bonus, no one has died yet !

So as you get into these things, join Facebook groups, forums, watch youtube etc you start to get more ambitious and want to try more unusual things, it becomes more than just food, its a new hobby at this point and as a result what you become prepared to spend raises accordingly.

I'm not alone, there is a big scene of other middle-aged twits like me all into this, mostly with money to spend - I can't help but feel the UK livestock industry is missing out here

YET (and here is the point of this thread) Top quality meat, particularly the unusual (expensive) cuts are very hard to get? why is this? I read constantly on here that British grass fed beef is "better" but where is it when I come to try to buy it ?

The first stop was the village butcher in a village a few miles away (my village has no shops anymore sadly) It's all very traditional looking and surely worth a premium over the supermarkets ? ............. but no, I've come to learn the meat is nothing special, no real provenance and pre-cut from wholesalers just being retailed. Ther first time I asked for a Picanha for example they hadn't got a clue what I was on about, I had to google it for them and what I got, in the end, wasn't really done properly.

I tried another local butcher (a bit further away but of BIG local reputation, I ordered Brisket and it turned up rolled ! I asked for "packer cut" they had no idea what I was on about despite the internet and a million youtube video's about cooking such cuts

Jacobs ladder, beef short rib, 4 rib, Tomahawks etc all command premium prices but are really hard to get until you discover the gems that do butcher their own carcasses like Tori nad Bens Fram shop etc Grass-fed Longhorn with quality and provenance worth paying for proving that these places do exist and do know how to provide what customers like me want and reap the premium price rewards to match, why are they so "hidden" though? why not the normal rather than the exception ?


One place I have found you can get the unusual and better cuts is Costco ..................... but it's more often than not USDA and imported! I don't want to buy that but have done as it's so much easier


My question is why is this rare? what are not more livestock farms not butchering retailing direct? surely the internet has made it easier than ever before to cut out the middlemen who from what I see are doing a very poor job of butchering and retailing your products?

This guy does some great beef, all through a salt chamber. [emoji106][emoji230]
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
for beef give me a very well Finished dairy cull cow and ideally shot it in the middle off the field no stress. and hang it for 5weeks minimum

@Kiwi Pete is you your man as he in to regen ag and has done a lot off home butchery
The processors here use "buzz bars" which put AC through the carcass immediately after the throat is cut, which helps relax the muscle fibre like a high-power TENS massage.
I improvise by hanging them via a back leg from my loader, and rest them on the leadout wire to the electric fence system -count to 80 - makes any old beast better eating.
Then hang for a lunar month, then butcher, if possible
Otherwise I'll hang them for a couple of days, then take the primals and bone it out, then rest the cuts for a couple of weeks


I haven't read much of the thread yet, but the thing is you learn sweet f**k all about how to grow the best beef via reading the kill sheets and crunching numbers on D values and ME's

you learn to do it best by putting them together and pulling them apart - a lot of times, you get a much better feel for finishing them and getting the size of cuts right, picking the right animal for purposes

eg for BBQ season, I'll knobble "Horse", a hereford freemartin, at about 16 months.
For stews and casseroles, we'll knock over "Liquorice", an empty dairy x heifer, just at the start of winter. Neither of them will be much over a 240kg carcass. For corned beef, friesian bulls are hard to beat
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
worth every penny, fed 12 with left overs that will make my sandwiches most of this week and most importantly was divine eating

we don’t value food highly enough, of all demographics I wouldn’t have thought farmers would need telling that ?

Clive, pretentiousness isn't an attractive trait. Just saying.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Clive, pretentiousness isn't an attractive trait. Just saying.

what are you on about ? You really do post some rubbish sometimes!

I can’t see what’s pretentious about a top quality dinner for under £4.41 / portion plus leftovers, I’m sure you will have spent more in the past of a meal ? You can spend more in McDonald’s !

and I’m sure as farmers we can agree that food is too cheap given what goes into producing it ?

so which part of my post you quote is pretentious exactly please ?
 
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anzani

Member
I think some of the trouble is you are asking for cuts in foreign tongues,
Try asking for a schooner of beer or eggs over easy you will frowned upon for that too.
I agree,@Clive; you are using the Weber terminology ie from the States. You need a Smithfield guide to British cuts, although other regions have local names.
Cahun is Top Rump, or Rump cap
Packer cut is brisket, split and untrimmed
Tomahawks (from buffalo?), trimmed Forerib
 

Spud

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
YO62
what are you on about ? You really do post some rubbish sometimes!

I can’t see what’s pretentious about a top quality dinner for under £4.41 / portion plus leftovers, I’m sure you will have spent more in the past of a meal ?

and I’m sure as farmers we can agree that food is too cheap given what goes into producing it ?

so which part of my post your quote is pretentious exactly please ?

Not worth my typing, you never do like my feedback.

Your 'I am better than you peasants' approach does get a little wearing at times.

Each to their own I guess.
 

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