George Eustice's announcement "The path to sustainable farming." 2021-2024

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
Massive recession. Soon to be many with no jobs. House prices up 6 percent. Buy to let on a five year fixed rate with 30 percent deposit quoted at 1.6 percent. Every single penny of free government money seems to have gone into houses.
 
He didn't really make any proposals we have not already heard ikt was more an announcement that there will be some announcements

I'm on board with a lot of what he has to say, the principles are right

Grants are crazy however, they encourage people to spend money they wouldn't digging themselves deeper debt holes only really benefitting suppliers

I fear George is listening to too many academics and not enough actual farmers who have the actual experience of having been there and done that
i would agree about the grants farmers wont be spending money the same if the subs get cut they will go into survival mode plus suppliers will put the price up for those that do have money, corners will be cut, livestock farms will become understaffed and welfare will become an issue, it seems to me the gov are happy to do this as they can claim to be maintaining the budget, but it wont actually all be used
 
I totally agree , the guys who sold development land will be fine and theirs a few on here. Us other mortals will slowly die I’ve diversified but it won’t be enough for the loss off crop income and subs . Told my 14 yr old who wants to farm to think about another career as I don’t want him to live on a poor low paid income.
this is a sad situation and one noone wants to see
 

Chris F

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Media
Location
Hammerwich
Its what @Chris F said who should build a brand for farmers.

And I think they should. Not saying you can't do it yourself, but for many farmers that isn't possible so farming organisations will need to help them do it. You could join the Soil association if you want to. Or PFLA, or one of the others. NFU and AHDB have the means so do it, as I have already said.

Otherwise we will only have the odd success story like Pure Kent - and they don't just sell direct - they sell into the trade as well. Farming needs more success stories where value can be added.
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
i would agree about the grants farmers wont be spending money the same if the subs get cut they will go into survival mode plus suppliers will put the price up for those that do have money, corners will be cut, livestock farms will become understaffed and welfare will become an issue, it seems to me the gov are happy to do this as they can claim to be maintaining the budget, but it wont actually all be used
It will, they will waste half of it on administration
 

DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
Also ice cream. Starts as an add-on, then few years down the dairy goes.
My old neighbour never had the dairy just the ice cream and a herd of suckler cows. The milk came from elsewhere in the county and the flavourings, lumps of toffee and colours came from Italy by the pallet load in big plastic buckets. Everybody loved it because it was “local.”👍
It chimes with what my uncle used to say. Be a producer or a retailer but trying to be both is madness. You will lose focus and spread yourself too thin.
We used to grow and retail spuds but just getting an artic load tipped in the yard would have been more profitable.
Most folk I know who have made money have concentrated on a specialist niche. The bloke who bought a van and a pressure washer and went round disinfecting big free range chicken sheds between batches has probably done better than anybody. It’s straightforward, it doesn’t require oodles of capital, there is steady demand ...... and nobody else wants to do it:
 

Spud

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Arable Farmer
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YO62
My old neighbour never had the dairy just the ice cream and a herd of suckler cows. The milk came from elsewhere in the county and the flavourings, lumps of toffee and colours came from Italy by the pallet load in big plastic buckets. Everybody loved it because it was “local.”👍
It chimes with what my uncle used to say. Be a producer or a retailer but trying to be both is madness. You will lose focus and spread yourself too thin.
We used to grow and retail spuds but just getting an artic load tipped in the yard would have been more profitable.
Most folk I know who have made money have concentrated on a specialist niche. The bloke who bought a van and a pressure washer and went round disinfecting big free range chicken sheds between batches has probably done better than anybody. It’s straightforward, it doesn’t require oodles of capital, there is steady demand ...... and nobody else wants to do it:
AgriWash?
 

Grassman

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Location
Derbyshire
The bit that worries me is i already am doing what they want. Very low fertiliser and sprays. Low livestock numbers per acre. Lots of small fields with hedges. Lots of trees and woodland. Very few cultivations.
Can see all the money going to those who need to change the way they farm to comply.
 

serf

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Location
warwickshire
The bit that worries me is i already am doing what they want. Very low fertiliser and sprays. Low livestock numbers per acre. Lots of small fields with hedges. Lots of trees and woodland. Very few cultivations.
Can see all the money going to those who need to change the way they farm to comply.
Turn the lot into one big arable field, they will give you Grant's then to turn it back , problemo solved 😎
 

redsloe

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Location
Cornwall
My old neighbour never had the dairy just the ice cream and a herd of suckler cows. The milk came from elsewhere in the county and the flavourings, lumps of toffee and colours came from Italy by the pallet load in big plastic buckets. Everybody loved it because it was “local.”👍
It chimes with what my uncle used to say. Be a producer or a retailer but trying to be both is madness. You will lose focus and spread yourself too thin.
We used to grow and retail spuds but just getting an artic load tipped in the yard would have been more profitable.
Most folk I know who have made money have concentrated on a specialist niche. The bloke who bought a van and a pressure washer and went round disinfecting big free range chicken sheds between batches has probably done better than anybody. It’s straightforward, it doesn’t require oodles of capital, there is steady demand ...... and nobody else wants to do it:
That reminds me of when I was in Northamptonshire in the autumn. Bloke with a beat up old van, ibc filled with water, Genny and a pressure washer going around washing out wheelie bins outside houses.......
 

redsloe

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Location
Cornwall
No BPS plus WTO will mean no profit for many farming sectors We will have to adapt fast or fail.
Can't comment on WTO but I'm think in 2024 I will still get 50% of BPS, and a mid tier application can account for 40% so I'm 10% worse off. Exchange rate could see that off currently.
Obviously not much detail after that but depends on if your a glass half full kind of guy...
 
No BPS plus WTO will mean no profit for many farming sectors We will have to adapt fast or fail.
Cut cloth to fit.
Could easily be a rise in dog and stick farming, might not be a lot of income but even less expenditure, half of bugger all for the trades that rely on us for a living.
George Eustice visions of us investing in high tech technology and increasing output might be at the completely wrong end of the spectrum
 
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