Soya, whats the right way of it.

Ted M

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
if you google soya oil price first result that comes up puts oil at $930/ton and the same website puts soya meal at $430/ton. Which means per ton of soya beans you get more from the meal than the oil unfortunatly. Bit that doesn't get away from the fact that if soya wasn't grown the oil would have to come from somewhere else. Most probably palm oil.
Thanks for that, I had read the 4x bit somewhere recently but last time I looked myself the difference was probably similar to what you have quoted.
 

dudders

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Location
East Sussex
Let’s not kid ourselves that we fuel demand. Even if it’s not directly it all adds to what it’s worth and demand.
But like most by-products, I'm thinking demand for the oil came first? Then came the question of what to do with the waste. This produced the usual answer of feeding it to livestock. So flog it cheap to feed compounders, who incorporate it into rations and flog it cheap to farmers as a new alternative. Once everyone's hooked, start pushing up the price. Now farmers get the blame for soya production...
 
:unsure: i maybe totally wrong here,but there are quite a few posters on this thread that say they feed no soya,if you buy any compound feed at all,i would be rather sceptical that it "didnt" contain soya,i think it is now such an essential protein in all our lives that its inclusion may be overlooked!?if you go into any dockside store in this country the biggest product by volume will be soya......then maize🤷‍♂️
 
:unsure: i maybe totally wrong here,but there are quite a few posters on this thread that say they feed no soya,if you buy any compound feed at all,i would be rather sceptical that it "didnt" contain soya,i think it is now such an essential protein in all our lives that its inclusion may be overlooked!?if you go into any dockside store in this country the biggest product by volume will be soya......then maize🤷‍♂️
That's what I thought as well, I asked a Thompsons rep and he said they had soya in everything in some form
 

Ted M

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
:unsure: i maybe totally wrong here,but there are quite a few posters on this thread that say they feed no soya,if you buy any compound feed at all,i would be rather sceptical that it "didnt" contain soya,i think it is now such an essential protein in all our lives that its inclusion may be overlooked!?if you go into any dockside store in this country the biggest product by volume will be soya......then maize🤷‍♂️
You are probably right. A friend of mine has started growing beans again.
That's where I am heading, total control/traceability and all within a mile of my gate
 

johnspeehs

Member
Location
Co Antrim
Harbro hosted a webinair couple of weeks ago about their non soya and palm products. They are actively advertising dairy compounds and blends with none included. In fact not just dairy it was aimed at sheep and beef aswell.

How do they compare cost ways I wonder? If its possible to manage without it all the better.
 

Fergieman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Calf powdered milk contains palm products and calf starter contains soya which will need a bit more thinking about. I am currently doing a 12 month survey with my milk buyer as to what soya and palm we are currently feeding so have had a breakdown and inclusion rates of ingredients of all products fed from supply companies, interesting reading.
 

Boysground

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
:unsure: i maybe totally wrong here,but there are quite a few posters on this thread that say they feed no soya,if you buy any compound feed at all,i would be rather sceptical that it "didnt" contain soya,i think it is now such an essential protein in all our lives that its inclusion may be overlooked!?if you go into any dockside store in this country the biggest product by volume will be soya......then maize🤷‍♂️

If you don’t ask I would expect all products to have some soya in them. As I said I am not allowed to feed it to milking cows and have been through the ration I buy with the mill I use. I know there is no soya in it. There would be serious repercussions if I was found using it so I have been very careful.

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texelburger

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
What norvite and others are doing is the way forward. We have to make better use of home grown proteins.
Correct but,I fear,there will be less OSR grown due to flea beetle and the increase in clubroot.I hope there is more encouragement for UK farmers to grow more protein crops such a beans,peas and lupins.This would also be better for the soil and there would then be less reliance on imported Soya.
 

andybk

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Mendips Somerset
Correct but,I fear,there will be less OSR grown due to flea beetle and the increase in clubroot.I hope there is more encouragement for UK farmers to grow more protein crops such a beans,peas and lupins.This would also be better for the soil and there would then be less reliance on imported Soya.
Neighbour grew soya this year , it held up and harvested well ,they made a good job of the crop , each pod only had 2 little beans (smaller than a skittle) in it and plants were only 1ft high at most , recon lupins would yeild better
 

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