Abortions in sheep

Humble Village Farmer

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Can't like this enough. Its just nature. a ewe gets so far through pregnancy, something is wrong so she aborts. Nothing we can do about it. Like you say the 10 days prior too kick off is crap. always get 5/6 throw their lambs out (out of 850/900) they get kicked out straigt away and a month later they get loaded up and away they go. Usually at a damn good price too!

One of my grandads very good friends just over the hill from us has everything vaccinated too the hilt. costs him a fortune, only buys tups so fairly closed in that respect. shoots any cats that even looks over the wall at him, never mind goes near the sheep. He has more barrens than us every year, a lower scanning % and more abortions than us. Every year complains about the vets bill because he's had 2 abort and had the full works done by the vet on them for the results too all come back clear...

Then there's us.... only vaccines used are Bravoxin & Ovivac P, 4 spayed farm cats, buying in breeding sheep every year. always get a handful of abortions. Grandad always maintains our abortion is low though because we lamb our ewe lambs in the same sheds as the main flock so they pick up all our bugs and become immune to them by the time they come around to shearlings and away they go for the rest of their productive lives. We had one do of bad abortion in a bunch of shearlings I bought for myself. I'd have been 15/16. when we scanned 1/2 were empty of the half left half of them were losing their lambs. I culled everything that didnt have lambs took the smack in the wallet and swapped to buying ewe lambs and touch wood nothing stupid has really gone on. Could just be luck, but we run and mix a lot of sheep for luck too do it all by herself?
Hasn't anybody heard of accredited stock???
 

neilo

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Montgomeryshire

Mc115reed

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Cats quickly get immune to it, then they don’t pose any risk of passing it on, hence only young cats are a potential issue.
Having neutered cats about means you stop getting young cats partly because they stop breeding, and partly because they keep other cats away.

Adult cats are not a Toxo risk.

Well this might be a price tracker thread but learning a lot about abortion [emoji28] never been a problem at all here I think too memory Iv only ever had 2 abortions ... but have doubled my sheep numbers in the last 2 years from various sources so i guess that comes with risk...
 

Hilly

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Quite interesting leading about abortion , perhaps need another thread on it , out standing thing for me is the % and numbers , scary stuff a lot do t take bio security seriously enough I’d say .
 

Celt83

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned about Enzo/toxo abortion is it can effect a pregnant woman and make her abort.

It happened to a young couple where I was a gfw. Horrific, absolutely terrible!!

Seeing aborted lambs on the floor was bad, working on lambs for minutes to try and keep them alive but to no avail was hart breaking but when it infected his wife and they lost their baby, I'm man enough to say I shed a fair few tears in the calf shed.
 

Mc115reed

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned about Enzo/toxo abortion is it can effect a pregnant woman and make her abort.

It happened to a young couple where I was a gfw. Horrific, absolutely terrible!!

Seeing aborted lambs on the floor was bad, working on lambs for minutes to try and keep them alive but to no avail was hart breaking but when it infected his wife and they lost their baby, I'm man enough to say I shed a fair few tears in the calf shed.

Yeah my mrs is due in 3 months 🤦🏻‍♂️[emoji849] not ideal at all
 

LAMBCHOPS

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Bit late to the party on this abortion debate, but I'll put in my sixpenneth.

Stopped using Toxovax, maybe 10 years ago , when it was unavailable for a couple of years for some reason. We usually have one or two slip in the last 10-14 days before we start (147 days from tups going out was yesterday). This year we've had 6 (5 sets of twins and 1 single.

After the 5th one sent 2 foetuses and cleansings for analysis. Vet rang last night - all tests results so far are negative - still waiting on results for toxo and border disease.

Five out of the six that have aborted are homebred gimmers in their first year lambing. All are in cracking condition and have never been sick nor sorry - just lost their lambs. Haven't been near any bought in sheep but equally haven't been near our lambing shed since they were born.
Depending on the results of the two remaining tests, I've half a mind to shut this year's replacements in the lambing sheds for a month in May before we muck them out and let them pick up what bugs they can.
We had border disease (hairy shaker) some 10 years ago if it's that message me on how we dealt with it. We did and were clear the next year but had to implement a couple of things.
 

yellowbelly

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N.Lincs
Well this might be a price tracker thread but learning a lot about abortion
Good point.
Maybe @Chris F would be good enough to fish all these posts out and put them in another thread?

Abortion is a big cost to sheep farms annually and for some reason seems to be worse this year (well, for some of us on here, at least)

It's own thread would be useful, not least to save trawling through here to find stuff and more especially so we don't upset 'the usual suspects' for straying off topic :whistle:
 

Doddsy

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Yeah my mrs is due in 3 months 🤦🏻‍♂️[emoji849] not ideal at all
Not ideal as you say, I'm sure you are already, but I'd be keeping my wife well away from the sheep and the lambing shed altogether, regardless of what the results throw up. Total over reaction many will feel probs, but each to their own. Steer clear of bringing any cold lambs into the house either. Best wishes to you both 👍👍💪
 

cowboysupper

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so i assume the animal rights lot are going to move to ireland now , irish just bought a boat to send cattle to libya ffs

Not a new thing, been happening for years. Thousands shipped to north Africa, Turkey and Spain every year. Not a fan of the trade myself but its a big thing for the farmers in RoI trying to help balance supply/demand. Up until now the animal welfare campaigners have zero success in slowing it down.
 
I never left, I’m always learning.:)

There are strains of campy that are resistant to oxytet apparently but, in the face of a storm, it’s still worth trying. It stopped a Campy stormdead in it’s tracks for us in 2010, after 15% already aborted.
Mine stopped for a week then started again. Vet got me the 2k of alamycin on Friday she rang on Monday and said’just fetch it back it’s campo’ I said too late I’ve done them now. It did something though
 

neilo

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Montgomeryshire
Mine stopped for a week then started again. Vet got me the 2k of alamycin on Friday she rang on Monday and said’just fetch it back it’s campo’ I said too late I’ve done them now. It did something though

You may well of had a resistant strain?

I was lucky not too perhaps, but as there isn’t anything else that can be done...

Fortunately mine wasn’t a £2k bill, as Alamycin LA was only £7/100ml at that time (2010).
 
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Mc115reed

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Mine stopped for a week then started again. Vet got me the 2k of alamycin on Friday she rang on Monday and said’just fetch it back it’s campo’ I said too late I’ve done them now. It did something though

Vets been and he said lambs are too clean for enzo, cleansing is too clean for toxo and liver I think it was ?? Looked too good for campo but has taken samples too get labs too confirm, ewes all in perfect condition and everything looks as it should so said could be as just one of them things or ust the stormy weather making them stress abort
 
Vets been and he said lambs are too clean for enzo, cleansing is too clean for toxo and liver I think it was ?? Looked too good for campo but has taken samples too get labs too confirm, ewes all in perfect condition and everything looks as it should so said could be as just one of them things or ust the stormy weather making them stress abort
Clean white lambs - Enzo
Brown with brown cleansing-Toxo
Mix of both with a discharge type mastitis looking discharge on cleansing with white cotyledons -Campo
If ewes lean /stressed maybe nothing but that
 

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