glasshouse
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Perhaps someone in the know can tell us
Contract farming agrements for 2020 season
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So, what is your suggestion for a deal that is fair to both parties? Enlighten us with your wisdom.
glasshouse
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Fairness is not a thing that features greatly in cfa
Go on. So, what would be fair?
As long as you’re not paying more than the local average FBT then fairness is in play I’d say
No one’s making you sign 
If it’s a 50:50 then it’s fair
glasshouse
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HahaAs long as you’re not paying more than the local average FBT then fairness is in play I’d say
Once you are on the cfa treadmill with machinery finance charges, you certainly have to keep signing.
Its like bernie madoffs ponzi scheme, once u start, u cant stop, regardless of the consequences for the people you displace.
If my father had your mentality I would be one of 4 grandchildren on a 200 acre farm
Once you’ve signed up to pay for kit with a longer period than your CFA or FBT you’re very exposed unless you run much older kit with no outstanding finance and low depreciation. I get that.
As for the displacement of farm staff, you cannot stop adapting to the changing circumstances. If the farm was that profitable then they wouldn’t need to lay anyone off and call in a contractor, would they?
glasshouse
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What about tenants being thrown off? They are not staff
And if u run older kit you wont even sniff the job. Landowners want full on shiny tractor porn nowadays
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- Essex
What's that? I've often wondered what it was
Landowners have their own reasons for wanting to take land back in hand. Hardly the contractor’s fault.
As long as the contractor can get the job done, it doesn’t matter how old the gear is. New gear frequently means they need higher charges!
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- Perthshire (It's a big place!)
There is no point us "wage slaves" trying to argue with "king of the tenants" we're all wrong!
Contract farming customers are happy to take risk when they feel there is none yet faced with the reality of a year like 2020 are good at throwing toys out the pram ! ......... truth is you can’t have your tax cake and eat it ! Trading risk means EXACTLY that
my biggest annoyance is they seem to believe rubbish talked by others about yields etc (see my article in the last Direct Driller magazine !)
issuu.com
that said even in a year like 2020 a landowner should still have seen a positive return at harvest prices and now we are well over £200/t that return should be reasonable......... with bps how can a landowner not make a profit frankly when agreements have a landowner prior share ??? The looser is the contractor who will have little or no profit share this year, just his costs covered by his prior share, at least no one should actually be loosing money however
Going forward with ELMS I think a farmer is going to be an essential part of facilitating the claim
I can’t help think that an attitude shift re scale is required for many ? It’s the way a lot of farmers have tried to reduce fixed costs ( been there myself) yet truth is it rarely REALLY achieves that. Areas farmed (for food) will drop but so will the number of active farmers, I’ve turned down opportunities to take on additional land recently and I’m actually looking forward to not farming bits that really probably shouldn’t be farmed ....... that will improve my efficiency more than scale ever could, I plan to pick and choose who I contract farm for very carefully and I would never enter into a contract farm agreement where I could loose money ........ that would be crazy bad business
I watched the Michael Horsch Christmas interview recently and honestly was laughing at some of the comments they seemed so out of touch with were we are clearly going now
my biggest annoyance is they seem to believe rubbish talked by others about yields etc (see my article in the last Direct Driller magazine !)
Farmer Focus: Clive Bailye - Issuu
Fake news? Harvest 2020 was never going to be great, the perfect storm of a wet autumn and winter followed by a spring drought was always going to end in disappointment. When it came to yields any usual excitement and anticipation was replaced by simple desire to clear ground of such uninspiring...
issuu.com
that said even in a year like 2020 a landowner should still have seen a positive return at harvest prices and now we are well over £200/t that return should be reasonable......... with bps how can a landowner not make a profit frankly when agreements have a landowner prior share ??? The looser is the contractor who will have little or no profit share this year, just his costs covered by his prior share, at least no one should actually be loosing money however
Going forward with ELMS I think a farmer is going to be an essential part of facilitating the claim
I can’t help think that an attitude shift re scale is required for many ? It’s the way a lot of farmers have tried to reduce fixed costs ( been there myself) yet truth is it rarely REALLY achieves that. Areas farmed (for food) will drop but so will the number of active farmers, I’ve turned down opportunities to take on additional land recently and I’m actually looking forward to not farming bits that really probably shouldn’t be farmed ....... that will improve my efficiency more than scale ever could, I plan to pick and choose who I contract farm for very carefully and I would never enter into a contract farm agreement where I could loose money ........ that would be crazy bad business
I watched the Michael Horsch Christmas interview recently and honestly was laughing at some of the comments they seemed so out of touch with were we are clearly going now
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There is definitely a sweet spot when it comes to area. The main thing about any of these agreements is the people involved and being on the same page. I’m pleased we didn’t get some that we went for in the past.Contract farming customers are happy to take risk when they feel there is none yet faced with the reality of a year like 2020 are good at throwing toys out the pram ! ......... truth is you can’t have your tax cake and eat it ! Trading risk means EXACTLY that
my biggest annoyance is they seem to believe rubbish talked by others about yields etc (see my article in the last Direct Driller magazine !)
Farmer Focus: Clive Bailye - Issuu
Fake news? Harvest 2020 was never going to be great, the perfect storm of a wet autumn and winter followed by a spring drought was always going to end in disappointment. When it came to yields any usual excitement and anticipation was replaced by simple desire to clear ground of such uninspiring...
that said even in a year like 2020 a landowner should still have seen a positive return at harvest prices and now we are well over £200/t that return should be reasonable......... with bps how can a landowner not make a profit frankly when agreements have a landowner prior share ??? The looser is the contractor who will have little or no profit share this year, just his costs covered by his prior share, at least no one should actually be loosing money however
Going forward with ELMS I think a farmer is going to be an essential part of facilitating the claim
I can’t help think that an attitude shift re scale is required for many ? It’s the way a lot of farmers have tried to reduce fixed costs ( been there myself) yet truth is it rarely REALLY achieves that. Areas farmed (for food) will drop but so will the number of active farmers, I’ve turned down opportunities to take on additional land recently and I’m actually looking forward to not farming bits that really probably shouldn’t be farmed ....... that will improve my efficiency more than scale ever could, I plan to pick and choose who I contract farm for very carefully and I would never enter into a contract farm agreement where I could loose money ........ that would be crazy bad business
I watched the Michael Horsch Christmas interview recently and honestly was laughing at some of the comments they seemed so out of touch with were we are clearly going now
Not all are like that.
glasshouse
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I have equal sympathy for managers and workers who lose out to the contract “farmers”There is no point us "wage slaves" trying to argue with "king of the tenants" we're all wrong!
If the subsidy was properly policed, cfa would not exist