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I can’t seem to get agents to grasp this point!
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2.5t of sp wheat @£200 will pay rather better than 3.5 @£140
Big result for you guys!! I actually want land to leave agreements into CS, farming the best bits only, but the next few years could be painful if landowner-comparative returns are to be maintained by contractors...We had one out right reject CS after I proposed It! Agree with you though.
Totally agree about RPA risk / pain - I’m happy that I can hold my own against CS returns over the next 2/3 years but 4/5 years from now, with BPS degressed and a comparable CS return to be supplied to the landowner by an arable farming contractor - that’s going to hurt I predict!! Hence the question and the want for discussion on here..BPS might cover it, but it will cover establishment a crop of wheat as well. Its not an argument. The discussion is whether CS options will give a farmer more income compared to a CFA approach. The same argument could be had of any farm business, contractors or in-house operations.
I know a landowner who favoured a CFA over whole farm CS as he didn't know when he would be paid by the RPA for the CS. At least he could sell his wheat when he wanted to.
Which point?I can’t seem to get agents to grasp this point!
So 1 ton if wheat per Ha not acre !?I know of one farm already linking rents to the September wheat price. Works well apparently. £200/t = £200/ha
BPS on top until it goes
Sorry... the point that agents talk as if elms is a bps replacement without discussing management costs of these schemes etc.Which point?
HaBy a tenner.
Ha
Do you spend the same on Spring and winter wheat?
I think not
So 1 ton if wheat per Ha not acre !?
This is exactly my point - agents don't grasp this and sell the idea to landowners as a future environmental utopia that will pay them to do nothing. They don't consider running costs etc. As for the retirement payments... Jesus christ!Stewardship is only supposed to cover income forgone, if it's paying too well and people flock too it, payments will be reduced. I don't believe it's sensible to become reliant on stewardship long term. Defra will pay as little as possible, it's called 'value for the taxpayer'
I do agree with that! I think this CS / Wildlife Offer is a short-term landowner-windfall only.Stewardship is only supposed to cover income forgone, if it's paying too well and people flock too it, payments will be reduced. I don't believe it's sensible to become reliant on stewardship long term. Defra will pay as little as possible, it's called 'value for the taxpayer'
I looked at this idea years ago. The trouble is that it works if you get 4 tons and £135 a ton for the landlord/owner to get a ton's worth.Linking rents to wheat prices could be a pretty good idea. There is some big figures in these CS schemes but there won’t be enough cash for everyone to get £650/ha for grass! Intriguing times ahead...
In the short-term that land agent is totally right - my hope is that landowners will want a balanced approach, which it sounds like most on here do.... as when the current CS options end, landowners will need a farmer again in my view as a broad picture will be needed. It’s getting to 2027 as a purely Contract Farmer though ... I think the landowner wins over the next 5/6 years and it’s the government that’s assisting it...This is exactly my point - agents don't grasp this and sell the idea to landowners as a future environmental utopia that will pay them to do nothing. They don't consider running costs etc. As for the retirement payments... Jesus christ!
What do you expect from the tories?In the short-term that land agent is totally right - my hope is that landowners will want a balanced approach, which it sounds like most on here do.... as when the current CS options end, landowners will need a farmer again in my view as a broad picture will be needed. It’s getting to 2027 as a purely Contract Farmer though ... I think the landowner wins over the next 5/6 years and it’s the government that’s assisting it...
Maybe the agents can see there's a lot of paperwork that will need doing, for a small fee.This is exactly my point - agents don't grasp this and sell the idea to landowners as a future environmental utopia that will pay them to do nothing. They don't consider running costs etc. As for the retirement payments... Jesus christ!
By a tenner.
Quite unbelievable isn't it£60/t premium for spring wheat over a winter feed??