Jdunn55
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Oh... not the answer I wanted I guess the trick is going to be getting the chicory and grass to the same stage of growth at the same time.It goes tough like docks.....fast!
Oh... not the answer I wanted I guess the trick is going to be getting the chicory and grass to the same stage of growth at the same time.It goes tough like docks.....fast!
We fatten a lot of lambs in the summer so was working on a crop that I can keep down for 3 years that could replace Stubble Turnips and Rape , Ryegrass Red Clover Chicory i had in mind maybe a bit of white clover . Want it so I can mow it in the spring or Early June that isSowed my first mix with chicory in last spring (it's the field I posted earlier in this thread) havent grazed sheep on it yet, when it got going last year after we had some rain it did phenomenal, I'm not sure it liked being grazed in November though, will see how it does this year before I make my mind up on it!
Thats the issue my friend had. Being organic the grass was being grazed too early and checked too much to keep on top of the chicoryOh... not the answer I wanted I guess the trick is going to be getting the chicory and grass to the same stage of growth at the same time.
How do those who have success with it manage it? It's my first proper season growing it so am intrigued
This would technically be the same as organic as we arent allows to apply bagged nitrogen to it, only manuresThats the issue my friend had. Being organic the grass was being grazed too early and checked too much to keep on top of the chicory
Everyone I know that’s tried it has always gone back toStrict rotational grazing with small paddocks and frequent moves from what I understand.
I’ve never thought the complications meant it was worth bothering with.
It’s a job to beat PRG and white clover if it’s managed well imo, although I keep trying various other mixes.
Prg and white clover will always be bread and butter but I'm really pleased with my herbal leys, especially with the income from gs4, I probably would like them less without the 300 quid per hectare mind.Strict rotational grazing with small paddocks and frequent moves from what I understand.
I’ve never thought the complications meant it was worth bothering with.
It’s a job to beat PRG and white clover if it’s managed well imo, although I keep trying various other mixes.
If mowing I wouldnt be wanting chicory in it personally, stalks really can go dry and be like tree trunks. Plantain is awesome but not sure on feed value in comparison to chicory. Lucerne, Included in with red clover and ryegrass? Ours has done wellWe fatten a lot of lambs in the summer so was working on a crop that I can keep down for 3 years that could replace Stubble Turnips and Rape , Ryegrass Red Clover Chicory i had in mind maybe a bit of white clover . Want it so I can mow it in the spring or Early June that is
Lot of mixes I've seen have gone to heavy with the chicory. It runs riote then , it don't cost a lot to put a small amount in so well worth a try , I'm going to give it a go and seeThis would technically be the same as organic as we arent allows to apply bagged nitrogen to it, only manures
How much would you reccomend in a ley as a small amount? I was thinking around 3.5%?Lot of mixes I've seen have gone to heavy with the chicory. It runs riote then , it don't cost a lot to put a small amount in so well worth a try , I'm going to give it a go and see
If its like dock seed, 1 will do they rest will come!How much would you reccomend in a ley as a small amount? I was thinking around 3.5%?
0.30 kg to 0.80 kg per acre, no moreHow much would you reccomend in a ley as a small amount? I was thinking around 3.5%?
If chicory is like docks, it makes you wonder why we hate docks?? I know digestability of docks isnt great and they dont like the taste that much, but is that the only reason? Never really thought about it, just always thought of them as weeds but never why they're weeds...If its like dock seed, 1 will do they rest will come!
My plan was around 0.5kg but could lower that to 0.3kg and put more plantain in. I like plantain better anyway.0.30 kg to 0.80 kg per acre, no more
I'm putting 0.30 kg in mine
Erm, no you haven't.
Because they don't cost anything to grow.If chicory is like docks, it makes you wonder why we hate docks?? I know digestability of docks isnt great and they dont like the taste that much, but is that the only reason? Never really thought about it, just always thought of them as weeds but never why they're weeds...
Docks bring up minerals from deep down and the tannin prevents bloat.If chicory is like docks, it makes you wonder why we hate docks?? I know digestability of docks isnt great and they dont like the taste that much, but is that the only reason? Never really thought about it, just always thought of them as weeds but never why they're weeds...
I was going to say that my countryside stewardship officer (and before anyone jumps to conclusions shes no tree hugger so wasn't saying it to stop us spraying - shes brilliant and havent a bad word against her) was telling me that docks only taste bad to cows if they've had nitrogen spread on them.Docks bring up minerals from deep down and the tannin prevents bloat.
Cows will eat them as long as they are too peppery from nitrogen.
Most weeds that are successful are not edible, nettle thistle Dock rushes . Thats why they are successful , they are left to grow and seedI was going to say that my countryside stewardship officer (and before anyone jumps to conclusions shes no tree hugger so wasn't saying it to stop us spraying - shes brilliant and havent a bad word against her) was telling me that docks only taste bad to cows if they've had nitrogen spread on them.
So why do we hate them??? All I've heard so far is:
- anti bloat,
- free
- deep rooting (therefore drought resistant)
- extra minerals
- no nitrogen required
Docks are edible.Most weeds that are successful are not edible, nettle thistle Dock rushes . Thats why they are successful , they are left to grow and seed