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Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
100% from your post yesterday after your phone call it sounds very much like you have either been bought off/ talked around @Clive by the NFU!

Utter rubbish for the NFU to say they sit on and have voting rights on the RT board ( let alone co-own it ) yet have no say on new rules/ how the RT company is run etc etc, they have their vote and could use it to vote down new things like more rules/ regs but they do not, also the NFU could come out and say they are against the new rules etc being proposed for later this year but they do not!

You have been bought off Clive, you may not know it but you have been! the tone/ way you are now defending some aspects of the NFU response to RT in your post show that is the case.

A very sad day indeed and the cause is lost.

have you read my posts ?

ny opinion has not changed one bit yesterday, all that is clear is WE are making a difference here

i am clearly saying resigning nfu membership having and effect do keep doing do

i have spoken to the AHDB today again, keep pushing for the 250k of support to be withdrawn and a “produced to UK legal standard” tick box on grain passports to be accepted

talking to a lawyer re legal challenge to AIC later this week
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
that's not what the NFU second in command said, he said the NFU could tell RT what to do

they have given away board control (stupid !)

but they could shut it down tomorrow if minded simply by telling membership to resign on mass or simply stop putting stickers on passports

they lack balls for that though and it upsets the gravy train too much !

NFU are not going to be the hero here - AHDB seem most minded to do something about this IMO and could easy withdraw there financial support (i suspect they will do !)
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
they have given away board control (stupid !)

but they could shut it down tomorrow if minded simply by telling membership to resign on mass or simply stop putting stickers on passports

they lack balls for that though and it upsets the gravy train too much !

NFU are not going to be the hero here - AHDB seem most minded to do something about this IMO and could easy withdraw there financial support (i suspect they will do !)
I hope they do, I don't see why I should help to pay for RT and I am not even a member
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
they have given away board control (stupid !)

but they could shut it down tomorrow if minded simply by telling membership to resign on mass or simply stop putting stickers on passports

they lack balls for that though and it upsets the gravy train too much !

NFU are not going to be the hero here - AHDB seem most minded to do something about this IMO and could easy withdraw there financial support (i suspect they will do !)

Posters up in arms if NFU member sit on the board as there is a conflict of interest.
Posters up in arms if NFU don't have control of the board.

Which is right?
 

Old apprentice

Member
Arable Farmer
OK Clive if ahdb don't do as we hope they will do ,what is the next plan I ain't holding my breach. There is only three options legle challenge, stop using stickers, or another scheme yes or a mixture of these.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Nfu should not control RT - farmer members (some being nfu members) should however

there is s big and important difference
So you want to see farmers on the main and sector boards as well as the TAC.

But not necessarily NFU members.

But you said previously that it was silly of the NFU to give away control of the board.

Those are two opposing views?


RT do keep saying that they have already got plenty of farmer representation on these boards and committees.
That would raise the question given the distan for RT atm that these are either not vocal enough or lack enough weight to make a difference.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
So you want to see farmers on the main and sector boards as well as the TAC.

But not necessarily NFU members.

But you said previously that it was silly of the NFU to give away control of the board.

Those are two opposing views?


RT do keep saying that they have already got plenty of farmer representation on these boards and committees.
That would raise the question given the distan for RT atm that these are either not vocal enough or lack enough weight to make a difference.

I want to see farmer control of schemes created by farmers and supposedly for the benefit of farmers

”farmers” are not JUST NFU members

current farmer representation is exclusively NFU installed and not enough weight to make a difference
 
Posters up in arms if NFU member sit on the board as there is a conflict of interest.
Posters up in arms if NFU don't have control of the board.

Which is right?

The right answer is that the whole thing is a load of rubbish without a leg to stand on in the first place. RT doesn't stand up to scrutiny as a label, a brand or even as check for legal compliance. Its all utter balls. They capitalised on a moment of chaos in agriculture with BSE and have trumped themselves up as the saviours - it insulting and the whole organisation has Blenkiron levels of hubris.

The NFU should never have backed it in the first place because it was nonsense from the beginning. Its now out of their control and they don't even know where they stand on it anyway because the individuals all have different opinions. Its all built on sand and will never be right because it was wrong from the start
 
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Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Nfu should not control RT - farmer members (some being nfu members) should however

there is s big and important difference
Hang on, doesn't it depend who is paying for the scheme?

At the moment it's run for the benefit of the supermarkets and the AIC with farmers paying the bills. So yes, the board should be controlled by farmers.

If the beneficiaries want to carry on the scheme and pay for it themselves, then they should have a majority on the board. Maybe with some farmers to moderate their ambitions
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
The right answer is that the whole thing is a load of rubbish without a leg to stand on in the first place. RT doesn't stand up to scrutiny as a label, a brand or even as check for legal compliance. Its all utter balls. They capitalised on a moment of chaos in agriculture with BSE and have trumped themselves up as the saviours - it insulting and the whole organisation has Blenkiron levels of hubris.

The NFU should never have backed it in the first place because it was nonsense from the beginning. Its now out of their control and they don't even know where they stand on it anyway because the individuals all have different opinions. Its all built on sand and will never be right because it was wrong from the start
Begs the question, Did the NFU become part of RT to Divide and Conquer it?
Or to be Divided and Conquered?

Which is the way it now always seems to approach things. Being:
Yes we have a problem. Sorry, we'll deal with it!


There are some nice videos of the Euston Estate on YouTube. It is hardly a typical farm compared to the average RT member.
Grain being quickly transferred to a Camgrain store 31 miles away, must be a huge weight of Mr B's mind. Let alone his record keeping, vermin control expense and administrative time!

I wonder what is in those big white Fertiliser type bags in that Dutch barn?
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
Hang on, doesn't it depend who is paying for the scheme?

At the moment it's run for the benefit of the supermarkets and the AIC with farmers paying the bills. So yes, the board should be controlled by farmers.

If the beneficiaries want to carry on the scheme and pay for it themselves, then they should have a majority on the board. Maybe with some farmers to moderate their ambitions

And therin lies the problem. The biggest income stream to RT is from the licensing of the logo to retailers/processors etc. Not from the Royalty farmers pay. It explains so much under the world of Jim Moseley
 
And therin lies the problem. The biggest income stream to RT is from the licensing of the logo to retailers/processors etc. Not from the Royalty farmers pay. It explains so much under the world of Jim Moseley

Well there appears to be a lack of clarity on that. Are they including the total cost farmers pay to be inspected or just the farmers royalty fee for the label and the sh!t marketing?

I'd like to know who pays what

From my point of view the label brings me nothing but I still pay for that and the inspection fee.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Hang on, doesn't it depend who is paying for the scheme?

At the moment it's run for the benefit of the supermarkets and the AIC with farmers paying the bills. So yes, the board should be controlled by farmers.

If the beneficiaries want to carry on the scheme and pay for it themselves, then they should have a majority on the board. Maybe with some farmers to moderate their ambitions


can't disagree, but right now as you say its farmers that are paying and not getting a return on their investment


cost is not JUST membership fee - that is just the start of the cost, time and extra things needed to comply create the real cost
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Begs the question, Did the NFU become part of RT to Divide and Conquer it?
Or to be Divided and Conquered?

Which is the way it now always seems to approach things. Being:
Yes we have a problem. Sorry, we'll deal with it!


There are some nice videos of the Euston Estate on YouTube. It is hardly a typical farm compared to the average RT member.
Grain being quickly transferred to a Camgrain store 31 miles away, must be a huge weight of Mr B's mind. Let alone his record keeping, vermin control expense and administrative time!

I wonder what is in those big white Fertiliser type bags in that Dutch barn?


I saw no identification number on the trailer and certainly looks like fertiliser stored in a unsecured store

Drone flying illegally as well over other houses etc on the road trip

.................... oh dear ! be careful what you post on the internet hey !
 

Two Tone

Member
Mixed Farmer
Oooooh.....the irony!

Mrs Two Tone and I have just got back from The NAC Royal Showground at Stoneleigh for our 1st Covid Jabs in Hall 1.
We parked right opposite it.

As we got back to the car, I noticed an NFU building looking very empty and unloved.
So I took this picture
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and wondered if the sun is truly going down on the NFU?

And if so, what a hallowed place to have taken such a picture!
It’ll take some [other] shot in the arm to put it right, I’m sure.
 

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