But if its not their land its our land then how can it be taken away ?
Mass Trespass?
- Thread starter Still Farming
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Such is life!
kfpben
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I’ll send you an invite to the meet from ours in the winterBring back fox hunting (if it ever went) at least you knew where you stood, rent a mob would come and protest, every one got to march over the country side, the anti,s and followers would have a little go, plod would turn up arrest a few and everybody went home happy. Even the
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Trespass
Trespass alone is a matter of civil law, which means that the police have no power to arrest you for it; police may nonetheless help landowners remove trespassers from land.
Private security or police can use reasonable force to remove trespassers from land. Reasonable force is subjective, and would have to be decided upon in court.
Trespass is entering – or putting property on – land that belongs to someone else, without their permission.
If you have ‘implied permission’ to enter somewhere – for instance a shop open to members of the public – then you are not committing trespass until you have been asked to leave by the owner of the building or their representative. In a shop this is often a manager, but should not be a police officer. If you fail to do so, then you could be taken to a civil court (‘sued’) by the owner.
Aggravated Trespass
Aggravated trespass is a criminal offence, so you can be arrested for it.
You must be doing two things to commit aggravated trespass:
1. Trespassing
2. Intentionally obstructing, disrupting, or intimidating others from carrying out ‘lawful activities’.
Further to this, a senior police officer has the power to order any person believed to be involved in aggravated trespass to leave the land; if they refuse to leave after being ordered to by police officer, or if they return to the land in question within a period of three months, this is an additional offence.
Sentencing starting point:really varies depending on who you are and where you were, from conditional discharge to suspended sentence. Maximum penalty is 3 months imprisonment, or a fine of £2500, or both. First time offenders would likely get a fine of between £200 – £300.
Trespass alone is a matter of civil law, which means that the police have no power to arrest you for it; police may nonetheless help landowners remove trespassers from land.
Private security or police can use reasonable force to remove trespassers from land. Reasonable force is subjective, and would have to be decided upon in court.
Trespass is entering – or putting property on – land that belongs to someone else, without their permission.
If you have ‘implied permission’ to enter somewhere – for instance a shop open to members of the public – then you are not committing trespass until you have been asked to leave by the owner of the building or their representative. In a shop this is often a manager, but should not be a police officer. If you fail to do so, then you could be taken to a civil court (‘sued’) by the owner.
Aggravated Trespass
Aggravated trespass is a criminal offence, so you can be arrested for it.
You must be doing two things to commit aggravated trespass:
1. Trespassing
2. Intentionally obstructing, disrupting, or intimidating others from carrying out ‘lawful activities’.
Further to this, a senior police officer has the power to order any person believed to be involved in aggravated trespass to leave the land; if they refuse to leave after being ordered to by police officer, or if they return to the land in question within a period of three months, this is an additional offence.
Sentencing starting point:really varies depending on who you are and where you were, from conditional discharge to suspended sentence. Maximum penalty is 3 months imprisonment, or a fine of £2500, or both. First time offenders would likely get a fine of between £200 – £300.
Lazy Sod
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betweenthelines
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There's more comments posted on this thread than on the original XR post!
michael N123
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exmoor dave
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Point 3 is interesting,
Make farming unviable
I assume the folk behind this agenda want a return to some sort of romantic notion of subsistence style everyone grow their own food type lifestyle? Or maybe a mass reversal to gathering (hunting probably frowned up on
) In which case history isn't their strong point, much of the standard of living, technology.... luxuries we enjoy are the result of civilisation having been organized so a few can few the many, allowing the many the time to pursue other occupations..... like say.... inventing devices and social medua for these agenda 21'ers to disseminate their ideas
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- North Somerset.
The problem is some will end up owning more of that nothing than the rest , its human nature.
Swarfmonkey
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That ain't the UN Agenda 21, it's something else. The whole "own nothing and be happy" thing came from the WEF (World Economic Forum - AKA the Davos shindig for the über wealthy). They don't want you to own things because they damn well want you to rent them from the massive companies and billionaires that make up the majority of the WEF's members instead. A nice regular income stream for them.
Stay. As someone once explained to me, there is no point in reading a newspaper that simply reinforces your own prejudices.
Exfarmer
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I always understood that lack of land ownership rights is what drives poverty among most of the worlds peasants.
If you dont own the land, there is no impetus to improve it and you cannot borrow to do so anyway.
If you dont own the land, there is no impetus to improve it and you cannot borrow to do so anyway.
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
What has happened in Zimbabwe where there have been land invasions, taking productive farms from the owners? I think it has changed "The Bread Basket of Africa" into a basket case.
Why? Private property is private property. Anybody entering it without permission deserves to be dealt with in a legal manner. Any kind of protest that includes trespass and ultimately damage should be prosecuted. There is no justification for this protest they are promoting. If they want to walk over some land then they need to go to work and buy some, instead of claiming benefits and doing nothing with their lives part from moaning about how unfair life is.
kfpben
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- Mid Hampshire
Always worth buying the Guardian now and again...if only to light the fire!
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- Carmarthenshire, West Wales
I think Pol Pot already tried that in Cambodia, how well did that end?Point 3 is interesting,
Make farming unviable
I assume the folk behind this agenda want a return to some sort of romantic notion of subsistence style everyone grow their own food type lifestyle? Or maybe a mass reversal to gathering (hunting probably frowned up on
No no no, don't be silly, all you have to do is import all the food.Point 3 is interesting,
Make farming unviable
I assume the folk behind this agenda want a return to some sort of romantic notion of subsistence style everyone grow their own food type lifestyle? Or maybe a mass reversal to gathering (hunting probably frowned up on
In which case history isn't their strong point, much of the standard of living, technology.... luxuries we enjoy are the result of civilisation having been organized so a few can few the many, allowing the many the time to pursue other occupations..... like say.... inventing devices and social medua for these agenda 21'ers to disseminate their ideas
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Anything that humans do, is 'human nature' by definition.
Care and cooperation just aren't as highly rewarded in a capitalist society as greed is, but humans are a lot more adaptable than that.
We could just as easily be a self-governing cooperative; back before colonisation imposed capitalism in NZ, human nature was a lot different, basically a "gift economy".
Perhaps that's why there is so much fear of new "isms", because the socialism of today is heavily touched by capitalism, as is communism?
Capitalists like me shouldn't really see the point in conservation and cooperating and giving people a hand up, should we?
I think human nature is whatever we like to pretend it is on the day, and in some cases we simply call our faults 'our nature' so we don't feel bad