Things that would improve farm safety ?

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

Ivorbiggun said:
Talking to a bloke today who works on a farm a couple of mile from us, their going to try farming 5000 acres with 3 full time staff with students brought in for harvest. The worlds gone mad.

utterly mad ....... he’s over staffed by 1 !

what’s the issue with his plan ? if he has the right kit he wont be working all hours, 1 man can comfortably cover 2000 combinable acres with the right equipment these days

our guys rarely ever work weekends other than through harvest

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

Spud said:
Nothing like a bps cheque Clive.
I should of known better than to contribute to your thread, you never do like my opinion.
It is possible to have sensible debate while having different views.

BPS cheques has been more guaranteed that Robs salary you attacked ........ he could loose his job if he doesn’t perform efficiently, the bps cheque arrives regardless

but lets not get the threaf off topic - its about farm safety not Robs salary or our dole cheque

Highland Mule · Apr 10, 2021

Clive said:
we don't use the loadall on fast roads as despite beibg a new, modern, well maintained machine its not safe with such a speed differential on local dual carriageways moving at motorway speeds - we move it between farms on a very safe, air-braked, commercial axel low loader behind a higher speed tractor which is MUCH safer

ALL our machinery is pretty new, maintained to tip-top levels and our accident record / insurance is really very low

If that’s a supposed response to my question, maybe you could either try again or move into politics.

So if it’s not safe to drive your machines legally on the road, perhaps you need to rethink what machines you use?

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

Goweresque said:
Lorry drivers are instructed to stay in the cab.

the cab is where everyone should be as much as possible and systems designed to make work from within the cab as much as possible implemented when they can be as its by far the safest place to be - lorry or tractor cab

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

Highland Mule said:
If that’s a supposed response to my question, maybe you could either try again or move into politics.

So if it’s not safe to drive your machines legally on the road, perhaps you need to rethink what machines you use?

we have done EXACTLY what you suggest and decided despite being 100% legal the low speed loadall is not safe to drive on high speed roads - there is no alternative machine to the loadall that solved this so our solution of moving it on a trailer has been implemented to reduce risk of accident

i would say it’s a great example of identifying and then reducing the chances of what could be a very nasty accident

we drive nothing on the roads we feel is not safe

betweenthelines · Apr 10, 2021

Heading for 30 pages so I haven't read every suggestion, but I'm sure on two points:

1. Most of the safety improvements could be put in place by the farmers themselves

2. Most of them won't bother

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Heading for 30 pages so I haven't read every suggestion, but I'm sure on two points:

1. Most of the safety improvements could be put in place by the farmers themselves

2. Most of them won't bother

3. most will blame lack of £££

so it seems peoples lives have a price on uk farms

holwellcourtfarm · Apr 10, 2021

Clive said:
it seems peoples lives have a price on uk farms

Sometimes under £50

Highland Mule · Apr 10, 2021

Clive said:
we drive nothing on the roads we feel is not safe

But you regularly drive other vehicles beyond the legal limits, and try and justify that on safety grounds, yes? When other modes of transport are available that would be 100% legal. I’d be interested to know if that official policy is recorded or not.

Not to say I don’t disagree with your decision, but I sure as heck wouldn’t be putting it in writing on a non anonymous forum, and certainly not claiming it in a virtuous manner.

Goweresque · Apr 10, 2021

Clive said:
so it seems peoples lives have a price on uk farms

People's lives have a price everywhere. We could put crash barriers alongside every road, but we don't because it would be too expensive. So if you lose control and crash into a tree and die, your life was lost because of a safety measure not installed due to cost. Ergo every life has a price, its just a case of what that price is. Similarly in the NHS if a drug costs more than the amount of lives saved when valued at (IIRC) about £30k per year of life, then the NHS does not provide that drug.

7610 super q · Apr 10, 2021

Clive said:
3. most will blame lack of £££

so it seems peoples lives have a price on uk farms

'Fraid so. There's a thread on here dedicated to getting diesel a few pence a litre cheaper. Ditto Fert. TFF has even started a market place to get chems cheaper. Do you think this mentality doesn't seep into other areas ?
Ask yourself why did xxxxx fall off the roof replacing a £20 roof sheet instead of paying £500 + to a tradesman ?
Either we tackle the route cause of accidents ( no I don't know how ) or we waffle on about method statements / risk assessments / training to get bits of paper.
If we carry on down that road, accidents will only get worse.

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

Highland Mule said:
But you regularly drive other vehicles beyond the legal limits, and try and justify that on safety grounds, yes? When other modes of transport are available that would be 100% legal. I’d be interested to know if that official policy is recorded or not.

Not to say I don’t disagree with your decision, but I sure as heck wouldn’t be putting it in writing on a non anonymous forum, and certainly not claiming it in a virtuous manner.

i do whatever i feel is safe for the circumstances/ situation

i am not going to ever put myself or my staff in any risk that can. be avoided

as i say - maybe try driving your car at 20mph on a motorway and let me know how safe it feels

no one drives 55kph tractors at any less than 55kph on high speed dual carriageways ....... if they do they are a danger to themselves and others

Andrew · Apr 10, 2021

7610 super q said:
Ask yourself why did xxxxx fall off the roof replacing a £20 roof sheet instead of paying £500 + to a tradesman ?
Either we tackle the route cause of accidents ( no I don't know how ) or we waffle on about method statements / risk assessments / training to get bits of paper.

But if we made £1000 / t clear profit on every ton of wheat sold, there would still be some people that tried to replace the roof sheet themselves. Even if the tradesman was free there would be some people that did it themselves for whatever reason.

Henarar · Apr 10, 2021

Clive said:
i do whatever i feel is safe for the circumstances/ situation

i am not going to rver put myself or my staff in any risk that can. be avoided

as i say - naybe try drivingbyiur car st 20mph on a motorway and leg me know how safe it feels

no one drives 55kph tractors at any less than 55kph on high speed dual carriageways ....... if they do they are a danger to themselves and others

Is that what I should have told the copper when he pulled me for speeding?
As it was I just denied knowing that the tractor could go that fast and he went on his way

Henarar · Apr 10, 2021

Andrew said:
But if we made £1000 / t clear profit on every ton of wheat sold, there would still be some people that tried to replace the roof sheet themselves. Even if the tradesman was free there would be some people that did it themselves for whatever reason.

It is actually quite a nice job fitting roof sheets so why wouldn't a farmer do it ?

Andrew · Apr 10, 2021

Henarar said:
It is actually quite a nice job fitting roof sheets so why wouldn't a farmer do it ?

No reason at all if done properly and safely. Many don't and there have been several deaths and injuries, including one 2 miles from me.

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

Henarar said:
Is that what I should have told the copper when he pulled me for speeding?
As it was I just denied knowing that the tractor could go that fast and he went on his way

thankfully the police locally seem to have some common sense

they watch hundreds of tractors from various farms run up and down the a5 / a38 locally pretty much daily and ive never heard of anyone ever being pulled for speeding despite the fact that ALL are doing so

I think they understand the concept of “appropriate” speed for a situation to reduce chances of bad accident ....... probably as a results of being the poor buggers clearing up the mess and informing family of deaths following some of the rear end accidents on such roads in the past

they are quite active on weight and road worthiness, we are only a mile or so from a VSOA weigh bridge and check point that is often active

Clive · Apr 10, 2021

Henarar said:
Is that what I should have told the copper when he pulled me for speeding?
As it was I just denied knowing that the tractor could go that fast and he went on his way

were you on a high speed dual carriageway at the time ?

how appropriate was your speed to the situation?

ie - we don’t fly about at 55kph on lanes or single lane A or B roads , through built up areas etc ! But on the a38 anything much less is bloody asking to get yourself killed frankly

Henarar · Apr 10, 2021

Clive said:
were you on a high speed dual carriageway at the time ?

how appropriate was your speed to the situation?

ie - we don’t fly about at 55kph on lanes or single lane A or B roads , through built up areas etc ! But on the a38 anything much less is bloody asking to get yourself killed frankly

I was on a big main A road about 10 seconds away from it being a duel carriageway.
I just wondered if you thought yours would have been the appropriate response?
I think it may have got me in more trouble

Goweresque · Apr 10, 2021

Andrew said:
But if we made £1000 / t clear profit on every ton of wheat sold, there would still be some people that tried to replace the roof sheet themselves.

No there wouldn't because they'd have all sold out to the corporate interests who would have rationalised farming into massive units the same way every other industry has rationalised over the last 80 years. And would be operating with brand new equipment and new buildings built exactly for purpose. Not ones cobbled together with old telegraph poles and second hand tins.

Its the lack of profitability that keeps the corporate interests out of farming and that in turn means owner occupiers scrimping and saving, and just scraping a living on the dregs of low profitability and subsidies. Get the likes of Tesco owning hundreds of thousands of acres and farming them for decent profits for the shareholders, and the H&S issue would be solved.

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