barleybasher
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Just make mine the 525bhp V8 please, commercial with seats added back in, oh and for £60k all in EX VAT
New Defender Commercial
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Just make mine the 525bhp V8 please, commercial with seats added back in, oh and for £60k all in EX VAT
- Location
- East Yorkshire
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
The better pickups today are not that different to drive. I've had Range Rovers and Land Cruisers, BMW X5 and all kinds of exotics during my life and up until the Ranger T6 I would have agreed that pickups were way inferior driving machines. However, since than and especially since the Amarok and current 10 speed auto Rangers, they are so close that it makes no difference, even unladen. Some cars like the X5 with Sports suspension are distinctly less comfortable to ride in than these pickups. Maybe the X5 has improved lately, I don't know.
I really would not have said this five years ago but the changes in some pickups, some that are sadly no longer made even, have been huge.
The biggest disappointment with most pickups now is that they are only part time 4wd and cannot change on the move between low and high ratio.
As for your back seats, well yes they provide a secure in-cab storage for goods and the seats can be folded or even removed if you like. In the Defender you would have to store all your stuff in the cargo area while the pickup has that on top of the back of cab area. If concerned about people seeing what's in the back of the cab, get dark tinted glass or tint the rear door glass really dark yourself.
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Chae1
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- Location
- Aberdeenshire
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
I guess because they always want to produce more for less rather than less for more, for instance sheep good trade , will they keep less ? No they up numbers and keep more for less . Race to the bottom. That’s my guess .
My 63 plate dmax is in a different league to my discovery, I feel myself bracing when a pothole approaches. The newer models must be a lot better but they would need to be.
They are amalgamating all the time, from large inputs to small things such as ear tags. It is surprising how few companies we are forced to deal with and the lack of completion now amongst them.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
I dont know what you farm, but if wheat is defiantly going to be £90/t in sept 2022 (with other crops similar) would you still drill or just stop doing anything with the tractor?
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
The old D-Max is very old school pickup and I'm not surprised.
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
That's because there's little margin to be made selling commodities to farmers who sell commodities at a low margin.
- Location
- East Yorkshire
I have gone from a V6 Amarok to the D90 and still think there is a jump in comfort andhow good it is to drive.
Everyone has different needs for a vehicle, some will prefer a pickup, some a commercial version of a 4x4. For me the D90 won it because I don’t use the back seats and the rear provided enough space for my tools (limited tools, only need the basics for setting up demos and installing GPS systems), the spare parts for the GPS systems and room to spare for the trusty Labrador and taking parts out for customers if I’m heading their way, and most importantly they are secure, unlike the back of a pickup. Some days I will wish I had a pickup, but most days the D90 ticks all the boxes for what I need.
Also found I’m getting 5-6mpg more out of the D90 than the Amarok!
At the end of the day, LR have designed a car that will sell in volumes (and it is doing, just look at lead times), not a car for a small part of the market that was already taken up by the Jap pickups, even before the old defender ceased production. The fact it’s In such high demand should mean residualsshould be extremely good, making lifetime running costs low.
There is a two tier market operating ATM i think.
110 models fitted with the early 4 cylinder motors are getting discounted a bit heavier in the market as many orders on new vehicles latterly have been changed to the perceived more attractive six pots, leaving a slug of early engined cars that are harder to shift without some financial encouragement. Meanwhile later specced vehicles and the new 90 models have a healthy order book.
- Location
- Pinnaroo. South Australia
their not. I’ve got one and hate it on anything but new roads
Pingu
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I’m sorry duck but really need to spend a true week in a new type pick up and I mean 600+ miles a week every week in them they are dreadful!! I’m on number 3 of np300 Navara and 200k between them getting that way and it’s one the best riding pickups the ranger needs weight in the back and made my Old discovery look saintly reliable but they ride horrendous really very juddery, bouncy and unrefined. If it was me paying the Cheque I would never have one! I would never store my tools in a pick up again as there is not one cover or canopy that can not be got into without a small pry bar and then no real alarm to discourage them I’ll easily have 5-10k in tools in back well used to and are you really suggesting using the rear 3 seats that is an argument for a pick up as a place to store stuff which you can’t restrain or tie down and in case of an accident cause great harm... commercial defender and vans all have bulkheads
Cowabunga
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- Location
- Ceredigion,Wales
I've done some 65,000 miles in the Ranger and it is a vast improvement over the previous generation Ranger. I've also driven the current updated Ranger and it is another step-change and is the first pickup that I've ever driven that I can compare on a level playing field with many SUV's. I am on record on this forum as saying that I would not have and drive a pickup unless I really needed its work attributes but the latest Ranger and, apparently according to many here the Amarok, has changed my mind. Not for every pickup, because some are as rough as a cactus-skin flannel and are hopeless handlers with dodgy steering, especially in emergency braking. Also lack performance and interior refinement with sparse equipment list.
If you can't figure out how to tie down stuff in a pickup bed with canopy or indeed in the second row of the passenger compartment, I suggest you need to use your tools and imagination. However, I'm not forcing you to like pickups. As I said, apart from the latest Ranger which impressed me very much indeed, I would never choose one for long distances and high annual mileage unless there was no other viable choice.
Pingu
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I never mentioned the canopy to tie down, the canopy is safe storage of tools which they aren't sadly or not from my experience, to tie down they are easy! Maybe I shouldn't be so tight and have one the full metal locking canopy's made but can't make mind up on them. In the second row not as practical or safe is it to store tools is my point or safely strap a 50kg tool box down to a seat... Its doable but is it safe or practical. Everyone to there own pick-up's are very useful I never said otherwise and very much have a place on farms (hence why I have one and run one through the farm) but to compare them to vans or SUV derived vans is short sighted or that is my personnel opinion. It was not meant as a dig or against you it was more a comment in that I have yet to find a well riding pickup for long distances etc maybe its just me and I'm to fussy
Hilly
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- Location
- Scottish Borders.
N&J linings will make you a bespoke water tight secure colour coded canopy they are excellent.I never mentioned the canopy to tie down, the canopy is safe storage of tools which they aren't sadly or not from my experience, to tie down they are easy! Maybe I shouldn't be so tight and have one the full metal locking canopy's made but can't make mind up on them. In the second row not as practical or safe is it to store tools is my point or safely strap a 50kg tool box down to a seat... Its doable but is it safe or practical. Everyone to there own pick-up's are very useful I never said otherwise and very much have a place on farms (hence why I have one) but to compare them to vans or SUV derived vans is short sighted or that is my personnel opinion. It was not meant as a dig or against you it was more a comment in that I have yet to find a well riding pickup for long distances etc maybe its just me and I'm to fussy
Pingu
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In all seriousness they actually look the part! Thank you don't look to out of place either