beardface
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- Location
- East Yorkshire
Brother spoke to our sludge rep earlier in year. He said if they couldn't spread it they'll just dump it all in the sea.
Autumn manure banned
- Thread starter l'ordinary bonville
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- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
That'll lead to some great publicity, won't it. Southern Water are already the proud hikers of the UK's biggest ever sewage discharge fine......
beardface
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- Location
- East Yorkshire
Hopefully then people will wake up to the ridiculous notions of the EA. Not quite sure how you incorporate FYM into a rapidly growing autumn cereal crop in the spring.
womble8350
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- Location
- York
So at what point can you apply FYm to a spring crop? Does the crop need to be growing or is there a period of say 2 weeks before drilling? What n is in fym vs sewage slug .? At what stage are the proposals at the mo?
Spencer
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- Location
- North West
So i'm led to believe
warksfarmer
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Your having a laugh
. The NFU are a laughing stock within political circles. It’s a well known fact politicians say the gov can do what they like to U.K. agriculture because we have no proper union in place. 4/5 of the Nfu membership are not farmers. We have no voice for actual farming matters.Batters is the worst president in the NFU’s history. She’s openly anti farming and only interested in her farm diversification which is her Nfu job, much like Guy Smith.
The only hope the Nfu has is to put Olly Harrison in as president. They won’t though because they are scared of him as they know he would put farming first. OMOV would see him in place at the next set of elections and I for one would rejoin just to place my vote for him.
The current Nfu is a disgrace and slowly finishing itself off.
I think I agree with you. Olly may not be the best at articulating himself online but he does tell the truth without fear.Your having a laugh
Batters is the worst president in the NFU’s history. She’s openly anti farming and only interested in her farm diversification which is her Nfu job, much like Guy Smith.
The only hope the Nfu has is to put Olly Harrison in as president. They won’t though because they are scared of him as they know he would put farming first. OMOV would see him in place at the next set of elections and I for one would rejoin just to place my vote for him.
The current Nfu is a disgrace and slowly finishing itself off.
- Location
- West Suffolk
There certainly isn’t much N in cattle muck staw.
warksfarmer
Member
exactly and that’s unlike all the rest of the Nfu hierarchy who are all pure liars only interested in their overinflated paychecks as their own farm diversification income. Their time is coming though because when the last 1/5 farmer members have left they’ll have to change their name.
A new farming union charging £25/year membership and 100,000 members, all run from a rented office on a farm, with an employed disgruntled retired MP and a proper communications person is all we need.
glasshouse
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- Location
- lothians
On holiday in barbados
Sounds like a shite answer to me! If it's the orange lorry squad I would take what they say with a large pinch of salt.......
This is what the EA letter said:
Reduction and Prevention of Agricultural Diffuse Pollution (England) Regulations 2018, Farming Rules for Water(FRFW) –Nutrient planning under Rule 1(Regulation 4)
The requirements for this Rule are that for each application of organic manure or manufactured fertiliser the application is planned so that they,
4 a (i)Do not exceed the needs of the soil and crop on that land; or
4 a (ii)Do not give rise to a significant risk of agricultural diffuse pollution, and;
4 b Take into account the weather conditions and forecasts for that land at the time of the application.
RB209, the most widely recognised Nutrient Management Guide,helps farmers and land managers and advisers to make the most of organic materials and balance the benefits of fertiliser use against the costs -both economic and environmental.It gives recommendations on major nutrient requirement (N, P, K, and Mg) of most, if not all, crops grown in the UK. It contains recommendations for optimising nutrient uptake by crops to help minimise an excess in the soil
TheEnvironment Agency finds that,according to the RB209, there is no agronomic justification for crop available nutrient applications, particularly of nitrogen, to many crops in the autumn. Organic manure applications during this period are unlikely to satisfy a genuine soil and crop need. If you feel there is a legitimate crop need you need to be able to justify this in your nutrient management plan and you might wish to consult with a FACTS Qualified Adviserto helpprepare this. (https://basis-reg.co.uk/scheme-facts)
To ensure compliance in any year we strongly recommend all farms, in all parts of England, provide a minimum of 6-months storage capacity for all slurry produced and held on the farm, with rainfall additions calculated on a 1 in 5 year (wetter than average) basis (e.g. October to March). The AHDB slurry Wizard can be used to do this calculation(https://ahdb.org.uk/knowledge-library/slurry-wizard).In high risk site and soil conditions a greater capacity may be required.Note that a greater of storage capacity can be achieved by keeping clean water out of stores. For instance, regularly scrapping/brushing dairy parlours before washing down, covering yards, diverting clean water through a separate management system and exporting slurry elsewhere where it is safe and compliant to do so. Grazing can be extended too, although farmers must be careful not to swap one diffuse pollution problem for another under FRFW (e.g. poaching and associated runoff).Ifyou’re planning on spreading any manufactured fertilisersor organic manures(including organic wastes being spread for agricultural benefit)in the autumnyou should ensure that you canjustify any applicationas part of this plan. We may request a copy of your plan. Please note that your planshould demonstrate that each nutrient application is in accordance with a genuine soil and crop need and is not, for instance, to justify a crop response which would have occurred anyway.
We have sent you this letter as part of our advice and guidance to land managers on compliance with the Regulations but reserve the right to take further enforcement action where appropriate and necessary
Reduction and Prevention of Agricultural Diffuse Pollution (England) Regulations 2018, Farming Rules for Water(FRFW) –Nutrient planning under Rule 1(Regulation 4)
The requirements for this Rule are that for each application of organic manure or manufactured fertiliser the application is planned so that they,
4 a (i)Do not exceed the needs of the soil and crop on that land; or
4 a (ii)Do not give rise to a significant risk of agricultural diffuse pollution, and;
4 b Take into account the weather conditions and forecasts for that land at the time of the application.
RB209, the most widely recognised Nutrient Management Guide,helps farmers and land managers and advisers to make the most of organic materials and balance the benefits of fertiliser use against the costs -both economic and environmental.It gives recommendations on major nutrient requirement (N, P, K, and Mg) of most, if not all, crops grown in the UK. It contains recommendations for optimising nutrient uptake by crops to help minimise an excess in the soil
TheEnvironment Agency finds that,according to the RB209, there is no agronomic justification for crop available nutrient applications, particularly of nitrogen, to many crops in the autumn. Organic manure applications during this period are unlikely to satisfy a genuine soil and crop need. If you feel there is a legitimate crop need you need to be able to justify this in your nutrient management plan and you might wish to consult with a FACTS Qualified Adviserto helpprepare this. (https://basis-reg.co.uk/scheme-facts)
To ensure compliance in any year we strongly recommend all farms, in all parts of England, provide a minimum of 6-months storage capacity for all slurry produced and held on the farm, with rainfall additions calculated on a 1 in 5 year (wetter than average) basis (e.g. October to March). The AHDB slurry Wizard can be used to do this calculation(https://ahdb.org.uk/knowledge-library/slurry-wizard).In high risk site and soil conditions a greater capacity may be required.Note that a greater of storage capacity can be achieved by keeping clean water out of stores. For instance, regularly scrapping/brushing dairy parlours before washing down, covering yards, diverting clean water through a separate management system and exporting slurry elsewhere where it is safe and compliant to do so. Grazing can be extended too, although farmers must be careful not to swap one diffuse pollution problem for another under FRFW (e.g. poaching and associated runoff).Ifyou’re planning on spreading any manufactured fertilisersor organic manures(including organic wastes being spread for agricultural benefit)in the autumnyou should ensure that you canjustify any applicationas part of this plan. We may request a copy of your plan. Please note that your planshould demonstrate that each nutrient application is in accordance with a genuine soil and crop need and is not, for instance, to justify a crop response which would have occurred anyway.
We have sent you this letter as part of our advice and guidance to land managers on compliance with the Regulations but reserve the right to take further enforcement action where appropriate and necessary
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
I'm probably wrong but I always thought RB209 was written for manufactured fertilisers, based on trial work funded by the fertiliser industry. Is it accurate when it comes to applying organic manure to land with fully active soil biology? 
Any thoughts?
Any thoughts?
Who is working on this from the FACTS angle @Woodlander ?
agricontract
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- Location
- Merseyside
Thanks for your vote @warksfarmer problem is I don’t think I have the time for any more NFU work with out risking my current business
And people also won’t like my tell them how it is approach
And people also won’t like my tell them how it is approach
RB209 is only guidance and as long as what you are doing can be justified there is no issue. Presumably the field where you were spreading the FYM had a requirement for the P&K according to soil tests and planned cropping? As long as you then followed RB209 and made an allowance for the N contained within the FYM when you top dressed in spring then there should be no reason for concern.
I know Ian Richards (FACTS newsletter) is well aware of this but not sure if he is being consulted. As far as I am concerned Ian is Mr Fertiliser UK, if he isn't in the discussions then he ought to be.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
This is the phrase that is relevant. Allowing for N is not the issue - the N being applied in Autumn is. The matter will be settled eventually in a civil or more likely a criminal court in front of a judge.
TheEnvironment Agency finds that,according to the RB209, there is no agronomic justification for crop available nutrient applications, particularly of nitrogen, to many crops in the autumn.