5,000 burgers a day: World’s first cultured meat-production plant opens in Israel

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Y Fan Wen said:
The UK's opportunity to lead the global protein transition - Politics.co.uk

Our food system has transformed dramatically over the last hundred years.

www.politics.co.uk

We can now brew milk in a brewery, instead of in the udder of a cow – and a startup from Oxford University (Ivy Farm Technologies) is set to become a world leader in producing “slaughter-free” sausages by 2023.

I can't be bothered, but you probably wouldn't have to dig very deep to find a connection between Lord Sarfraz and Ivy Farm Technologies.

melted welly · Jul 31, 2021

That’s not an article, it’s an advertisement.

What is politics.co.Uk?

Looks like it’s set up by a couple of blokes in a bedroom

primmiemoo · Jul 31, 2021

melted welly said:
That’s not an article, it’s an advertisement.

What is politics.co.Uk?

Looks like it’s set up by a couple of blokes in a bedroom

After crowdfunding, maybe? Setting up some cred wiv da plebs, innit?

jendan · Jul 31, 2021

MX7 said:
How can this artificially produced food be called MEAT,surely "There can be no such thing as cultured meat" as the definition of meat in the OXFORD and CAMBRIDGE Dictionary is "the flesh of an animal or a bird eaten as food" , NOT a plant produced product .
I personally would not be against these man made foods as long as they in NO
WAY had an association with the word MEAT.
I may be wrong but I think the producers of these man made foods have not yet thought up an out of the box name for their newly created products which have no connection with REAL meat.

The same applies to Oat,Soya,and Almond milk. They shouldnt be allowed to call it milk,because it isnt.

Y Fan Wen · Jul 31, 2021

I don't disagree with any of you but I think that article shows that the analysis made by Tony Seba in 2019 is coming to pass and possibly faster than his forecast of 2030-35;

Food and Agriculture Report — RethinkX

Rethinking Food and Agriculture shows how the modern food disruption, made possible by rapid advances in precision biology and an entirely new model of production we call Food-as-Software, will have profound implications not just for the industrial agriculture industry, but for the wider economy, so

www.rethinkx.com

As an upland sheep farmer I am reconciled to the fact that the way I 'farm' in the next 10/20 years is going to be completely at the whim of the government in Cardiff.

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Y Fan Wen said:
I don't disagree with any of you but I think that article shows that the analysis made by Tony Seba in 2019 is coming to pass and possibly faster than his forecast of 2030-35;

Food and Agriculture Report — RethinkX

Rethinking Food and Agriculture shows how the modern food disruption, made possible by rapid advances in precision biology and an entirely new model of production we call Food-as-Software, will have profound implications not just for the industrial agriculture industry, but for the wider economy, so

www.rethinkx.com

As an upland sheep farmer I am reconciled to the fact that the way I 'farm' in the next 10/20 years is going to be completely at the whim of the government in Cardiff.

Tony Seba says:

IMPLICATIONS
Economic

The cost of modern foods and other precision fermentation products will be at least 50% and as much as 80% lower than the animal products they replace.
At current prices, revenues of the U.S. beef and dairy industry and their suppliers will decline by at least 50% by 2030, and by nearly 90% by 2035. All other livestock and commercial fisheries will follow a similar trajectory.
Farmland values will collapse by 40%-80%.
Major producers of animal products are at risk of a serious economic shock.
The average U.S. family will save more than $1,200 a year in food costs. This will keep an additional $100bn a year in Americans’ pockets by 2030.
By 2030, at least half of the demand for oil from the U.S. agriculture industry – currently about 150 million barrels of oil equivalent a year – will disappear.

Environmental

By 2035, 60% of the land currently used for livestock and feed production will be freed for other uses. These 485 million acres equate to 13 times the size of Iowa.
If all this freed land were dedicated to reforestation, all current sources of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions could be fully offset by 2035.
U.S. greenhouse gas emissions from cattle will drop by 60% by 2030, on course to nearly 80% by 2035. Even when the modern food production is included, net emissions from the sector as a whole will decline by 45% by 2030, on course to 65% by 2035.

Social

Higher quality, more nutritious food will become cheaper and more accessible for everyone.
Half of the 1.2 million jobs in U.S. beef and dairy production and their associated industries will be lost by 2030, climbing towards 90% by 2035.
The emerging U.S. precision fermentation industry will create at least 700,000 jobs by 2030 and up to one million jobs by 2035.

Geopolitical

Trade relations will shift as decentralized food production becomes less constrained by geographic and climatic conditions than traditional livestock farming and agriculture. Major exporters of animal products will lose geopolitical leverage over countries that are currently dependent upon imports of these products.

I say this:

https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/star-trek.308030/

We can't both be right.
Tony Seba, whoever he is, has some highly dubious claims in there. Look at the numbers he offers on the jobs, they are just plucked out of thin air.
I wouldn't be selling your sheep just yet.

primmiemoo · Jul 31, 2021

The late Arthur C. Clarke predicted that space elevator, didn't he?

Swarfmonkey · Jul 31, 2021

Seba is a tech investor and entrepreneur @delilah . RethinkX is a propaganda operation, pushing BS that would personally benefit him financially.

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Anyone got any articles written by people who don't stand to gain financially from this carp ?

Swarfmonkey · Jul 31, 2021

I've seen a few but they're still based on self interest. The difference being that it serves their ideology, not their bank account.

Cowabunga · Jul 31, 2021

I was the first [by far] to mention the RethinkX organisation on here

RethinkX

RethinkX is an independent think tank that analyzes and forecasts the speed and scale of technology-driven disruption and its implications across society. We produce impartial, data-driven analyses that identify pivotal choices to be made by investors, business, policy and civic leaders.

www.rethinkx.com

It is very far from being a propaganda organisation. It analyses the likely financial, social and logistical, political and industrial implications and disruption likely from technology innovation. It tries to forecast the direction and speed of change and the changes that are most probable due to those changes. Not just in agriculture but in most areas of commerce and life.
Here is a taste of what their report on food production is about...

"By 2030, the number of cows in the U.S. will have fallen by 50% and the cattle farming industry will be all but bankrupt. All other livestock industries will suffer a similar fate, while the knock-on effects for crop farmers and businesses throughout the value chain will be severe.

Rethinking Food and Agriculture shows how the modern food disruption, made possible by rapid advances in precision biology and an entirely new model of production we call Food-as-Software, will have profound implications not just for the industrial agriculture industry, but for the wider economy, society, and the environment."

It should be very obvious to all those that expressed initial doubt when I first posted about this that the trend towards the forecast is accelerating and on target. Indeed it could be argued that there is a political agenda already pushing us down this road and making livestock agriculture more and more difficult and costly, certainly in the UK and, when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions, worldwide. This report was written several years ago and its forecast is already well on the way to coming true. There is propaganda coming from all directions and policies increasingly tilted to that end, not to mention literally $Billions being spent on or promised for the development of alternative protein sources to animals. Within fifty years I predict that today's livestock production and slaughter for food will be universally thought of as being barbaric, primitive even. Just as fossil fuel use for transport will be and like we in the West look today at oil and gas lamps for light.

Times they are a'changing, by Bob Dylan, both a poet and a prophet...

Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone
If your time to you is worth savin'
And you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
The battle outside ragin'
Will soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Cowabunga said:
"By 2030, the number of cows in the U.S. will have fallen by 50% and the cattle farming industry will be all but bankrupt. All other livestock industries will suffer a similar fate, while the knock-on effects for crop farmers and businesses throughout the value chain will be severe.

That's what Tony Seba says, and @Swarfmonkey says he has a financial interest, so less than impartial ?

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Cowabunga said:
Indeed it could be argued that there is a political agenda already pushing us down this road and making livestock agriculture more and more difficult and costly, certainly in the UK and, when it comes to greenhouse gas emissions, worldwide.

But, but....ELMS is going to depend on the cow......and cows have nothing to do with GHG emissions.

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Cowabunga said:
Times they are a'changing, by Bob Dylan, both a poet and a prophet...

I'll see your Bob Dylan, and raise you Jerry Dammers.

Swarfmonkey · Jul 31, 2021

@Cowabunga RethinkX is nothing but the puppet of the two investors that founded it and fund it - Seba and Arbib. It is not independent, it is a propaganda outfit with an agenda. An agenda that works to the financial benefit of Seba and Arbib.

It really is that simple.

Cowabunga · Jul 31, 2021

delilah said:
That's what Tony Seba says, and @Swarfmonkey says he has a financial interest, so less than impartial ?

It really doesn't matter whether you or I agree with it or not. It is happening in front of our eyes. It may well be that his timeline could be out, but it won't be by much in my opinion. It will take very little disruption to make animal meat production uneconomic.
This is what the commercial reality is all about. From the link The UK's opportunity to lead the global protein transition - Politics.co.uk

However, this month’s UK National Food Strategy marked a bold change of course. The recommendations included a £1 billion investment into research areas including sustainable proteins, a new £50 million commercial ‘cluster’ for entrepreneurs and scientists working on protein innovation and annual £15 million grants for sustainable protein startups.

It also called for a 30% reduction in meat consumption over the next ten years. Alternative proteins were cited as meat substitutes that would help realise the government’s “health, climate and nature commitments”, while still preserving freedom of choice when it comes to diets.

Right now, the UK has a unique opportunity to position itself as a world leader in food tech. That’s why alternative proteins should be part of our Catapultnetwork that is already accelerating the development of hydrogen fuel cells and robotic offshore wind technology.

The UK must also look at regulation – to ensure there is a clear, efficient approval process for new products that guarantees food safety. This will further cement the UK’s reputation as a global scientific superpower and a leader on climate. Accepting the National Food Strategy’s recommendations will signal to UK innovators that, just as we have led the way on R&D of clean energy and life sciences, we are ready and willing to pave the way on protein too.

There’s an appetite for change in UK food, and it’s time to cater to it before it’s too late.

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Cowabunga said:
This is what the commercial reality is all about. From the link The UK's opportunity to lead the global protein transition - Politics.co.uk

Again, vested interest.
Anyway, the National Food Strategy is already history.

Henarar · Jul 31, 2021

Cowabunga said:
I was the first [by far] to mention the RethinkX organisation on here

congratulations

delilah · Jul 31, 2021

Cowabunga said:
Within fifty years I predict that today's livestock production and slaughter for food will be universally thought of as being barbaric, primitive even. Just as fossil fuel use for transport will be and like we in the West look today at oil and gas lamps for light.

We have been screwing the environment by burning fossil fuels for, what, 150 years ? We have been eating meat since we came down from the trees. The two aren't, remotely, comparable.

Cowabunga · Jul 31, 2021

Swarfmonkey said:
@Cowabunga RethinkX is nothing but the puppet of the two investors that founded it and fund it - Seba and Arbib. It is not independent, it is a propaganda outfit with an agenda. An agenda that works to the financial benefit of Seba and Arbib.

It really is that simple.

Investors and analysts are actually the very best qualified to predict trends in the market. They want to know where to invest profitably and where not to. There is no 'agenda' that I can see. The agenda is driven by others including politicians and social trends generally.
You can totally ignore the report if you like but you must surely acknowledge that, so far, it is obvious that the pressures are as predicted and on course. Not RethinkX's doing. They just predicted it, with warnings of the disruption that the profound changes would eventually bring in their wake.
Nobody would be more pleased than I if they turned out to be wrong. However it is fairly obvious to even the most committed Ostrich that they are on the right track.

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