Brexit again.

Ashtree said:

I‘m eager to have my synopsis rebutted. The floor is yours!

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Ashtree said:

The problem referred to in the previous few posts, is in essence the decline of Britain as an industrial and military power. Folks on here like to blame the unions in the seventies.
In fact that decline started about sixty years before that. To be exact, it started on Easter Sunday 1916 when about 1,200 poorly armed volunteers, marched into Dublin City centre, occupied various buildings, and proclaimed the establishment of the Irish Republic. A wider war followed, ending in 1921, when the British left for good.
Far away in India, folks took notice and inspiration. The rest is history. The empire collapsed. The free flow of other nations wealth and resources to London dried up. Two world wars later, Britain was a busted flush. Fast forward to 1956, the final humiliation of Britain was inflicted in the form of the Suez crisis. Now the empire is dust, the coffers are empty, and Britain is consigned to global has been, with no option but to cultivate a rather embarrassing “special relationship”, with America as a loin cloth to cover it‘s shrivelled manhood.
Meanwhile over in Europe, it too shares the British plight of economic ruin after two wars. Worse in fact, as it’s infrastructure and many of its cities have been flattened. Far seeing and innovative politicians and statesmen envisioned a United Europe and an economic plan to rebuild itself and its manufacturing industries. Social democratic governance with leaders of industry and leaders of unions, collaborated for the common good.
Back in Blighty, there was a dearth of leadership and a longing for the good old empire days. Needless to say, living standard stagnated and fell. Workers turned to their unions to fight for better times. Badly run companies, and terrible governments chose to ignore the realities and Britain‘s industries got caught between evermore millitant unions and backward looking governments and private sector management.

Along came Thatcher. She could have chosen the by now proven German recovery model of government investment and social partnership with workers and private manufacturing industries. But no, she chose to use what Britain had used for hundreds of years to get what it wanted. She chose the use of threats and coercion to kill the unions. In the process she effectively killed manufacturing industry. She hived of state companies and vital industries to Toryite capalists. She swapped core manufacturing industries, know how, skill sets, etc, for pinstriped stroker bankers.
To make matters even worse, she spawned the kind of Tory leaders who followed her with the honourable exception of John Major, a decent man. She spawned the call me Dave type spivs and the rancorous poisonous Farage, and the lying self serving BoJo, not to mention many others who served in governments but didn’t get to No 10.

And there you have it folks. The causes for the continued and continuing demise of your once great nation, are right at the heart of your own country. No point looking to blame a makey uppy bogeyman in Europe.
In fact you have now slain the said bogeyman, and by all appearances, your homegrown politicos seem to be doing a thoroughly fine job of finishing off the patient.

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Ashtree said:

The problem referred to in the previous few posts, is in essence the decline of Britain as an industrial and military power. Folks on here like to blame the unions in the seventies.
In fact that decline started about sixty years before that. To be exact, it started on Easter Sunday 1916 when about 1,200 poorly armed volunteers, marched into Dublin City centre, occupied various buildings, and proclaimed the establishment of the Irish Republic. A wider war followed, ending in 1921, when the British left for good.
Far away in India, folks took notice and inspiration. The rest is history. The empire collapsed. The free flow of other nations wealth and resources to London dried up. Two world wars later, Britain was a busted flush. Fast forward to 1956, the final humiliation of Britain was inflicted in the form of the Suez crisis. Now the empire is dust, the coffers are empty, and Britain is consigned to global has been, with no option but to cultivate a rather embarrassing “special relationship”, with America as a loin cloth to cover it‘s shrivelled manhood.
Meanwhile over in Europe, it too shares the British plight of economic ruin after two wars. Worse in fact, as it’s infrastructure and many of its cities have been flattened. Far seeing and innovative politicians and statesmen envisioned a United Europe and an economic plan to rebuild itself and its manufacturing industries. Social democratic governance with leaders of industry and leaders of unions, collaborated for the common good.
Back in Blighty, there was a dearth of leadership and a longing for the good old empire days. Needless to say, living standard stagnated and fell. Workers turned to their unions to fight for better times. Badly run companies, and terrible governments chose to ignore the realities and Britain‘s industries got caught between evermore millitant unions and backward looking governments and private sector management.

Along came Thatcher. She could have chosen the by now proven German recovery model of government investment and social partnership with workers and private manufacturing industries. But no, she chose to use what Britain had used for hundreds of years to get what it wanted. She chose the use of threats and coercion to kill the unions. In the process she effectively killed manufacturing industry. She hived of state companies and vital industries to Toryite capalists. She swapped core manufacturing industries, know how, skill sets, etc, for pinstriped stroker bankers.
To make matters even worse, she spawned the kind of Tory leaders who followed her with the honourable exception of John Major, a decent man. She spawned the call me Dave type spivs and the rancorous poisonous Farage, and the lying self serving BoJo, not to mention many others who served in governments but didn’t get to No 10.

And there you have it folks. The causes for the continued and continuing demise of your once great nation, are right at the heart of your own country. No point looking to blame a makey uppy bogeyman in Europe.
In fact you have now slain the said bogeyman, and by all appearances, your homegrown politicos seem to be doing a thoroughly fine job of finishing off the patient.

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Ashtree said:

Let me focus your attention on agriculture as it’s an ag forum. Bord Bia, the single greatest food marketing operation on the planet. Look behind Bord Bia, and see the rise of the Kerrygold brand. You can walk any food or drink aisle in pretty much any supermarket in Europe / UK and many key cities in USA, and put your hand on a raft of world class Irish products and iconic brands.
Did I mention the agriculture engineering sector. All those machines zipping along British farms, made in Ireland. McHale, Keenan, Abbey, Conor, Major, Malone, Dairymaster, etc, etc.

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wanton dwarf said:

A rather one sided peice. Would be nice to see you grow up.

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Pasty said:

Did you just say John Major was a decent man? You might want to ask his wife how much she suffered when it was made public that he was shagging Edwina. Don't be a fool. He's not a decent man, he's a turd.

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Martin Holden said:

Your glass is half empty old boy. I feel sorry for you

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Martin Holden said:

Your glass is half empty old boy. I feel sorry for you

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czechmate said:

Myself and bro had an interest in British motorbikes in the early 70’s. AJS, BSA, VILLIERS, ROYAL ENFIELD etc etc. They were all gone. We used to wonder (as kids) what happened to the British motorcycle industry?
Just the beginning of everything else it seems

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stewart said:

You missed Harry Ferguson.

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czechmate said:

Myself and bro had an interest in British motorbikes in the early 70’s. AJS, BSA, VILLIERS, ROYAL ENFIELD etc etc. They were all gone. We used to wonder (as kids) what happened to the British motorcycle industry?
Just the beginning of everything else it seems

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Pasty said:

Did you just say John Major was a decent man? You might want to ask his wife how much she suffered when it was made public that he was shagging Edwina. Don't be a fool. He's not a decent man, he's a turd.

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Ashtree said:

Ah, a little fling isn’t the end of the world. His many other qualities made up for his indiscretion. The No 10 incumbent on the other hand, ….

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stevieg said:

At least Major will admit to how many kids he had.
How many affairs did Boris have ?

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stevieg said:

At least Major will admit to how many kids he had.
How many affairs did Boris have ?

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bobk said:

No brexit downsides for me yet , still waiting for armegeddon

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czechmate said:

Why so? It sounds horrid

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bobk said:

No brexit downsides for me yet , still waiting for armegeddon

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JimAndy said:

well you must have a pretty cold heart to be able to sleep at night, knowing that to get your FAKE brexit you had to sacrifice the loyal people of N.I.

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