Brexit again.

[JimAndy]

Unfortunately Jim , your representatives could only say no , to every scenario

that funny i thought we said yes to ALL of the UK leaving the EU. not boris sell out the BRITISH people. don't try to blame local politician for a mess made at Westminster when that tratious boris and the rest of the Tory party sold out the people of N.I. for their 30 bits of silver. it must be nice to lie in bed knowing that in the future when people look up Brexiters the see the word "did what neither Hitler or napoleon could do, Broke up the UK"

 

[bobk]

that funny i thought we said yes to ALL of the UK leaving the EU. not boris sell out the BRITISH people. don't try to blame local politician for a mess made at Westminster when that tratious boris and the rest of the Tory party sold out the people of N.I. for their 30 bits of silver. it must be nice to lie in bed knowing that in the future when people look up Brexiters the see the word "did what neither Hitler or napoleon could do, Broke up the UK"

Ask Sammy and Arlene . they were all for brexit

 

[JimAndy]

yes

Ask Sammy and Arlene . they were all for brexit

no they were for UKexit were the UK would leave the EU as what was voted for in the ref. not for 3/4 of the UK leaving the EU and we just leave part of the UK under EU rule because we Too scare of gerry and his big mean ass.
i wonder how all the now dead once great leaders of the UK, who ruled half the world must feel to see a British PM kiss a terrorist ass and beg him not to hurt us, how as a english man can you hold your head up knowing your leaders are traitors

 

[Ashtree]

yes


no they were for UKexit were the UK would leave the EU as what was voted for in the ref. not for 3/4 of the UK leaving the EU and we just leave part of the UK under EU rule because we Too scare of gerry and his big mean ass.
i wonder how all the now dead once great leaders of the UK, who ruled half the world must feel to see a British PM kiss a terrorist ass and beg him not to hurt us, how as a english man can you hold your head up knowing your leaders are traitors

In fairness Jim, like you I well despise big Gerry and the whole SF cabal. That said, Brexit was never, ever an idea which was going to fly in NI. Even for a fair few unionists that was the position.
Even after the referendum, unionists through the DUP had absolutely more than adequate opportunity to protect and cement NI’s position in the Union. They could and should have backed Teresa May’s customs union deal. In politics, you have to be ruthless, and do what you have to do, when you have to do it.
But they chose to roll the dice, with the ERG stacking the cards. They chose to ignore the instructions of the majority of the people of NI.
NI unionist leaders and politicians fukked up big time.

 

[robs1]

Ah, a little fling isn’t the end of the world. His many other qualities made up for his indiscretion. The No 10 incumbent on the other hand, ….

Major promised us a vote on maastricht, he lied, the tories offered us a vote on europe, they honoured that pledge TM tried to scupper it, boris promised to get brexit done he has despite many so called democrats trying to undermine the vote.

 

[le bon paysan]

Let me focus your attention on agriculture as it’s an ag forum. Bord Bia, the single greatest food marketing operation on the planet. Look behind Bord Bia, and see the rise of the Kerrygold brand. You can walk any food or drink aisle in pretty much any supermarket in Europe / UK and many key cities in USA, and put your hand on a raft of world class Irish products and iconic brands.
Did I mention the agriculture engineering sector. All those machines zipping along British farms, made in Ireland. McHale, Keenan, Abbey, Conor, Major, Malone, Dairymaster, etc, etc.

Coolmore , and Irish stud farms, racing etc.

 

[Henarar]

Major promised us a vote on maastricht, he lied, the tories offered us a vote on europe, they honoured that pledge TM tried to scupper it, boris promised to get brexit done he has despite many so called democrats trying to undermine the vote.

things may have been different had he let us have that vote as they did in Ireland
had Maastricht and other treaties been passed by referendum the UK may well still be in the EU
Remainers at the top caused brexit

 

[robs1]

things may have been different had he let us have that vote as they did in Ireland
had Maastricht and other treaties been passed by referendum the UK may well still be in the EU
Remainers at the top caused brexit

The only people who can't see the reasons for brexit are the very ones that caused it.

 

[JimAndy]

In fairness Jim, like you I well despise big Gerry and the whole SF cabal. That said, Brexit was never, ever an idea which was going to fly in NI. Even for a fair few unionists that was the position.
Even after the referendum, unionists through the DUP had absolutely more than adequate opportunity to protect and cement NI’s position in the Union. They could and should have backed Teresa May’s customs union deal. In politics, you have to be ruthless, and do what you have to do, when you have to do it.
But they chose to roll the dice, with the ERG stacking the cards. They chose to ignore the instructions of the majority of the people of NI.
NI unionist leaders and politicians fukked up big time.

the only reason why the UK refused to put the border on the border is SF/IRA basically said if you do we start murdering you again, and instead of, so what did the weak english do. they give into the terrorist and but the border internally in the UK, after all right up to Boris coplassing like the snivelling coward that he is Leo was getting ready to put the border on the border. they were rebuilding the custom posts, they had the first batch of 30 custom cars bought, they were recruiting people.

yes it would have been very unpopular. yes the army would have needed to come back. and no it not the solution i would want, to the UK/EU border but it is the only solution that would have fulfilled what the "Brexiters" want

 

[le bon paysan]

things may have been different had he let us have that vote as they did in Ireland
had Maastricht and other treaties been passed by referendum the UK may well still be in the EU
Remainers at the top caused brexit

Yes.
As well as the press telling outright lies about the EU and those that stoked the lies by blaming the EU for rules that UK governments goldplated.and invented themselves.

 

[JimAndy]

Major promised us a vote on maastricht, he lied, the tories offered us a vote on europe, they honoured that pledge TM tried to scupper it, boris promised to get brexit done he has despite many so called democrats trying to undermine the vote.

WHY do Brexited keep peddling the LIES of the traitor Boris, he hasn't got "brexit" done the REF was for ALL the UK to leave the EU, Boris has not done this. only part of the UK is outside of the EU. while Brexiters like you keep burying your head in the sand and believe scum bags, the UK will never succeed in the world

 

[Henarar]

The only people who can't see the reasons for brexit are the very ones that caused it.

Yes the UK PM's after Thatcher and up until the EU referendum should apologise for getting it so wrong, they had a veto, they could have stopped any of it or just asked us and we could have stopped it had we wanted to but no they knew best and see how that ended up, they should hang their heads in shame for messing up what could have been a good thing.

 

[Ashtree]

WHY do Brexited keep peddling the LIES of the traitor Boris, he hasn't got "brexit" done the REF was for ALL the UK to leave the EU, Boris has not done this. only part of the UK is outside of the EU. while Brexiters like you keep burying your head in the sand and believe scum bags, the UK will never succeed in the world

Carson declared all those years ago, London and the Tories couldn’t be trusted. Paisley Snr, came around to the same realisation. Arlene, Dodds, Junior, Sammy The Tool and Jeffery, et al, pulled the rug from under NI’s place in the Union. DUP are the best catalyst for a United Ireland around the place. Many nationalist minded people, can’t stomach the SF view of the future. Many nationalist minded people, can well feel comfortable with Beattie / Swann view of the future. NI’s predicament could have been avoided, but DUP failed to do what they needed to do.

 

[czechmate]

So we were led to believe

By who.
Sorry, it seems a bit arrogant of you to think that 17 million folk on a small island making a little x could cause the end of the world

 

[Muck Spreader]

No brexit downsides for me yet , still waiting for armegeddon

The typical Brexiteer response. I'm alright jack fuk you.

 

[Lowland1]

Ah, a little fling isn’t the end of the world. His many other qualities made up for his indiscretion. The No 10 incumbent on the other hand, ….

The problem referred to in the previous few posts, is in essence the decline of Britain as an industrial and military power. Folks on here like to blame the unions in the seventies.
In fact that decline started about sixty years before that. To be exact, it started on Easter Sunday 1916 when about 1,200 poorly armed volunteers, marched into Dublin City centre, occupied various buildings, and proclaimed the establishment of the Irish Republic. A wider war followed, ending in 1921, when the British left for good.
Far away in India, folks took notice and inspiration. The rest is history. The empire collapsed. The free flow of other nations wealth and resources to London dried up. Two world wars later, Britain was a busted flush. Fast forward to 1956, the final humiliation of Britain was inflicted in the form of the Suez crisis. Now the empire is dust, the coffers are empty, and Britain is consigned to global has been, with no option but to cultivate a rather embarrassing “special relationship”, with America as a loin cloth to cover it‘s shrivelled manhood.
Meanwhile over in Europe, it too shares the British plight of economic ruin after two wars. Worse in fact, as it’s infrastructure and many of its cities have been flattened. Far seeing and innovative politicians and statesmen envisioned a United Europe and an economic plan to rebuild itself and its manufacturing industries. Social democratic governance with leaders of industry and leaders of unions, collaborated for the common good.
Back in Blighty, there was a dearth of leadership and a longing for the good old empire days. Needless to say, living standard stagnated and fell. Workers turned to their unions to fight for better times. Badly run companies, and terrible governments chose to ignore the realities and Britain‘s industries got caught between evermore millitant unions and backward looking governments and private sector management.

Along came Thatcher. She could have chosen the by now proven German recovery model of government investment and social partnership with workers and private manufacturing industries. But no, she chose to use what Britain had used for hundreds of years to get what it wanted. She chose the use of threats and coercion to kill the unions. In the process she effectively killed manufacturing industry. She hived of state companies and vital industries to Toryite capalists. She swapped core manufacturing industries, know how, skill sets, etc, for pinstriped stroker bankers.
To make matters even worse, she spawned the kind of Tory leaders who followed her with the honourable exception of John Major, a decent man. She spawned the call me Dave type spivs and the rancorous poisonous Farage, and the lying self serving BoJo, not to mention many others who served in governments but didn’t get to No 10.

And there you have it folks. The causes for the continued and continuing demise of your once great nation, are right at the heart of your own country. No point looking to blame a makey uppy bogeyman in Europe.
In fact you have now slain the said bogeyman, and by all appearances, your homegrown politicos seem to be doing a thoroughly fine job of finishing off the patient.

You need to brush up on your Irish history. It wasn’t all fun and games after 1921 just as 1947 wasn’t great for Indians either my wife’s family were Hindu’s from what is now Pakistan lost everything and never been back. There’s often a bit of trouble when you get your sovereignty back.

The Irish Civil War – A brief overview – The Irish Story

 

[Henarar]

The typical Brexiteer response. I'm alright jack fuk you.

wasn't that the position of all those eu supporters for all those years, worked well for you, look where you are

 

[Muck Spreader]

wasn't that the position of all those eu supporters for all those years, worked well for you, look where you are

Look were I am, what? Living the good life do you mean?

 

[Martin Holden]

Look were I am, what? Living the good life do you mean?

Live and let live! Life is too short

 

[Ashtree]

You need to brush up on your Irish history. It wasn’t all fun and games after 1921 just as 1947 wasn’t great for Indians either my wife’s family were Hindu’s from what is now Pakistan lost everything and never been back. There’s often a bit of trouble when you get your sovereignty back.

The Irish Civil War – A brief overview – The Irish Story

Oh, no need at all for me to brush up on my history or on the civil war. Bad times, but such things often happen in the emergence of a new democracy. The country has moved on from decades of poverty after war of independence and the civil war.