What do you do when you're absolutely exhausted?

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Rob91

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So just what sort of things has he bought over the last 8 years?
Most recently, a new Massey, a nearly new Krone forage box, Valtra, a Massey loadall, Dieci loadall, claas loadall, Case Maxxum 140, Case Mx135, Massey scraper tractor, Isuzu Dmax pickup, Discovery, various quads, two N91 and N111 Valtras, mowers,Reco forager, subsoiler,power Harrow, new McHale baler, Discs, Zetor tractor

I've probably forgotten a lot of things.

A Subaru Impreza with his own money that they got for overpaying on the mortgage none of which they offered us either
 

Rob91

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What are the huge repair bills out of interest if he’s always buying new kit?
We had a Reco and a JF forage harvester that both went wrong and they were in the thousands to fix , but mostly servicing tractors at 2 grand a time
 

Rob91

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Ye i understand exactly but if you and your brother take 20k each (which you should unless your a partner and have a lot of living costs for free plus guaranteed inheritance etc) its maybe not viable for you all to be there and have a good lifestyle?
Until my brother took responsibility of improving the herd we probably would've gone bust as we had MRIs that didn't give any milk.
This is why were trying to start selling our own milk but even if it's a success he will just spend more.
Hes said many times we shouldn't get paid at all if we're having the farm but he doesn't want to do that either
 
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Until my brother took responsibility of improving the herd we probably would've gone bust as we had MRIs that didn't give any milk.
This is why were trying to start selling our own milk but even if it's a success he will just spend more.
Hes said many times we shouldn't get paid at all if we're having the farm but he doesn't want to do that either

I think you need to have a serious conversation and get something sorted easy for everyone else to say i know. Are you afraid to approach your dad on the matter?
 

Crofter64

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I’ve posted this elsewhere but its worth a looksee. Ranching for Profit in the States, or an equivalent course in the U.K ,where you are taught the questions you must ask yourself and the rest of the family, as well as the tools to carry out your aims is definitely worth a try. If it takes a few days or more so much the better- youget a break from the farm.
I am not able to participate in this ‘school’ ,much as I’d like to, so I read David Pratt’s book instead. It touches on succession issues among other things. I found it helpful on many levels:
 

Rob91

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I think you need to have a serious conversation and get something sorted easy for everyone else to say i know. Are you afraid to approach your dad on the matter?
I barely speak to him , and I know his position on the matter so I don't bother.
He said today to my mum he wouldn't even put us in the business partnership if it wasn't for the tax situation.
 

Highland Mule

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I barely speak to him , and I know his position on the matter so I don't bother.
He said today to my mum he wouldn't even put us in the business partnership if it wasn't for the tax situation.

So are you in the business partnership then?

And maybe you can answer the question you seem to be avoiding all the time - do you have any impediments (physical/ mental) that would preclude you from being so?
 
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I barely speak to him , and I know his position on the matter so I don't bother.
He said today to my mum he wouldn't even put us in the business partnership if it wasn't for the tax situation.

That sounds like you ARE in the business partnership. Even if it was just done "for the tax situation" that gives you certain rights, like being able to see the Accounts and tax returns.

Taking all the things you have posted on here, I am of the opinion that this is a wind up.

If not, the contact details for support groups are on this page.
 

Rob91

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That sounds like you ARE in the business partnership. Even if it was just done "for the tax situation" that gives you certain rights, like being able to see the Accounts and tax returns.

Taking all the things you have posted on here, I am of the opinion that this is a wind up.

If not, the contact details for support groups are on this page.
No we're not.
 

czechmate

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@Rob91 , what do you want from this thread? It seems you don’t want to/won’t, hear what seems obvious to everyone else.
Admittedly the thread is about tiredness - not your hopeless situation.
For that, another obvious piece of advice...
Take a break

but - it strikes me now that it’s just for you to moan about your father in public 🤔.
Maybe it’s helpful for you but maybe it’s not🤷‍♂️
all the best anyway, as I said earlier, I saw where it was going for myself so chose to walk
 
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Boydvalley

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Yep, lots of dock picking
Think this may go to the heart of the problem.
Why on earth are you picking docks. If your answer is how else do we control them then I think you may be struggling with the rest of the farm.

To give you an idea of how inefficient you are, my organic neighbour is 1100acres, 230cows + followers with 400ish of arable. All operations in house including umbilical spreading with the same number of people.

They don’t pick docks. They compost for two years and mow in front of the cows from early summer. They manage them.

Even if you are gifted the farm another day, you will only have a quarter each for you and your brother and you’ll have to buy your sisters out, in-effect re buying the land you’ve just bought.
Have you really thought about how it will all be settled up when they are gone. I don’t think you have.

I think your Dad knows it’s an impossible situation but has stuck his head in the sand and barged on in the only way he knows he can make it work which has been very tough on you.

A lot of advice has been given on here by people who have been there done that. All you do is defend the situation. Time to start asking ‘what if I’ type questions.

so my solution to you is take a job like the one advertised above. You and your brother move in to the house. Your used to living on nothing so one wage should should be fine in the short term. You will have free time to think and explore options. If your Dad really wants you at home he should come to you with an offer. If he doesn’t you know where you stand but at least you’ve started a new life on YOUR terms.
That is very easy for me to sit here and type and I know that will be an incredibly brave difficult thing to do. Even getting away to do an interview will be a challenge. This is where I think you need the charities to help you to make that initial break as you have no support network.

The good news is your thinking about it at 29, not 49. Good luck.






The great thing is your
 
Most recently, a new Massey, a nearly new Krone forage box, Valtra, a Massey loadall, Dieci loadall, claas loadall, Case Maxxum 140, Case Mx135, Massey scraper tractor, Isuzu Dmax pickup, Discovery, various quads, two N91 and N111 Valtras, mowers,Reco forager, subsoiler,power Harrow, new McHale baler, Discs, Zetor tractor

I've probably forgotten a lot of things.

A Subaru Impreza with his own money that they got for overpaying on the mortgage none of which they offered us either
All this on 300 acres! Buying land as well. This is getting more & more into cloud cuckoo land.............
 

tepapa

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North Wales
All this on 300 acres! Buying land as well. This is getting more & more into cloud cuckoo land.............
If this is true, it's no laughing matter, and could be the poster reaching out for help.
If its not true then just take it as entertainment.
But don't belittle the guy, it's plausible this is how they run the farm it wouldn't surprise me if there where more farms out there the same, but without the courage to speak out.
 

czechmate

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Think this may go to the heart of the problem.
Why on earth are you picking docks. If your answer is how else do we control them then I think you may be struggling with the rest of the farm.

To give you an idea of how inefficient you are, my organic neighbour is 1100acres, 230cows + followers with 400ish of arable. All operations in house including umbilical spreading with the same number of people.

They don’t pick docks. They compost for two years and mow in front of the cows from early summer. They manage them.

Even if you are gifted the farm another day, you will only have a quarter each for you and your brother and you’ll have to buy your sisters out, in-effect re buying the land you’ve just bought.
Have you really thought about how it will all be settled up when they are gone. I don’t think you have.

I think your Dad knows it’s an impossible situation but has stuck his head in the sand and barged on in the only way he knows he can make it work which has been very tough on you.

A lot of advice has been given on here by people who have been there done that. All you do is defend the situation. Time to start asking ‘what if I’ type questions.

so my solution to you is take a job like the one advertised above. You and your brother move in to the house. Your used to living on nothing so one wage should should be fine in the short term. You will have free time to think and explore options. If your Dad really wants you at home he should come to you with an offer. If he doesn’t you know where you stand but at least you’ve started a new life on YOUR terms.
That is very easy for me to sit here and type and I know that will be an incredibly brave difficult thing to do. Even getting away to do an interview will be a challenge. This is where I think you need the charities to help you to make that initial break as you have no support network.

The good news is your thinking about it at 29, not 49. Good luck.






The great thing is your

maybe..
The root of the problem 😂
 
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