Ransomes TS 59 Cross shaft

Farmerpickle · Oct 25, 2021

Evening all,
I have two questions about a TS 59 cross shaft.

The first question is what make and model of milling machine do you recommend for cutting keyways in cross shafts as I'm very keen to buy my own?

The second question is for normal 10" ploughing (both legs on the inside of the frame), on a standard TS 59E 2 furrow frame, how much should the cross shaft be protruding the cast bracket on the right hand side of the plough?

Best regards.

Pennine Ploughing · Oct 25, 2021

Buying a milling machine, you will need deep pockets for that, unless you have other work for it,
As regards the cross shaft, it will depend on your wheel width settings, might be about right in the picture if set at 52" on the back

Farmerpickle · Oct 25, 2021

Pennine Ploughing said:
Buying a milling machine, you will need deep pockets for that, unless you have other work for it,
As regards the cross shaft, it will depend on your wheel width settings, might be about right in the picture if set at 52" on the back

Cheers for the reply. I think my wheels from inside to inside are about 59".

Pennine Ploughing · Oct 25, 2021

59" !!
I doubt it, but could be, if so they must be at 70" center's

Pennine Ploughing · Oct 25, 2021

52" centers is what you need them set at, or about 40" inside to inside of tyres

wuddy · Oct 25, 2021

I machined my key way with a 4” grinder much cheaper than a milling machine!!

Tonym · Oct 25, 2021

wuddy said:
I machined my key way with a 4” grinder much cheaper than a milling machine!!

Ditto. Tack welded a piece of angle iron to the cross to guide you straight and then cut the sides with a 1mm cutting disc and removed the central bit with a normal grinding disc.

Farmerpickle · Oct 25, 2021

Pennine Ploughing said:
59" !!
I doubt it, but could be, if so they must be at 70" center's

Sorry, I meant 39" inside to inside.

I am changing the subject now but I was told if I used a third furrow frame I could put the front leg on the outside of the frame, meaning when the cross shaft is fitted it will be out further for normal ploughing which in theory should mean it should be easier to plough just one single furrow. Is this the case?

Farmerpickle · Oct 25, 2021

wuddy said:
I machined my key way with a 4” grinder much cheaper than a milling machine!!

Brilliant! I wouldn't trust myself with the grinder! Did you use an ordinary cutting disc or the thin ones?

wuddy · Oct 25, 2021

Farmerpickle said:
Sorry, I meant 39" inside to inside.

I am changing the subject now but I was told if I used a third furrow frame I could put the front leg on the outside of the frame, meaning when the cross shaft is fitted it will be out further for normal ploughing which in theory should mean it should be easier to plough just one single furrow. Is this the case?

Can’t remember the measurements off the top of my head but yes the third furrow frame is narrower!

Bury the Trash · Oct 26, 2021

Farmerpickle said:
Evening all,
I have two questions about a TS 59 cross shaft.

The first question is what make and model of milling machine do you recommend for cutting keyways in cross shafts as I'm very keen to buy my own?

The second question is for normal 10" ploughing (both legs on the inside of the frame), on a standard TS 59E 2 furrow frame, how much should the cross shaft be protruding the cast bracket on the right hand side of the plough?
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Best regards.

from the bracket to the inside of the shoulder of the crank (where you're measuring ) should be 2 3/4 " or 69mm in new money .....so by the looks of your tape from this angle .. hes pretty right .
well that's what the book says.......

Farmerpickle · Oct 26, 2021

Bury the Trash said:
from the bracket to the inside of the shoulder of the crank (where you're measuring ) should be 2 3/4 " or 69mm in new money .....so by the looks of your tape from this angle .. hes pretty right .
well that's what the book says.......

Thank you.

Tonym · Oct 26, 2021

Bury the Trash said:
from the bracket to the inside of the shoulder of the crank (where you're measuring ) should be 2 3/4 " or 69mm in new money .....so by the looks of your tape from this angle .. hes pretty right .
well that's what the book says.......

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Surely that measurement is dependant on the wheel settings and not a constant value. The measurement that matters is the distance from the front furrow to the inside of tyre wall.

Bury the Trash · Oct 26, 2021

Tonym said:
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Surely that measurement is dependant on the wheel settings and not a constant value. The measurement that matters is the distance from the front furrow to the inside of tyre wall.

the book assumes a wheel centre measurement of 56" (thats on 11x36's)

69mm should be measured to the 'outside' of the pin crank as well looks like it, like where the tape in the photo is saying about 100 mm .....

rick_vandal · Oct 26, 2021

Traditionally, lemmings twist their cross-shaft from the plough yet expect the plough to move sideways along some keyway? Consider some device to twist the cross-shaft form the extremity via a fixed point on the tractor? SOP rules be damned, my cross-shaft has an electric actuator and even Ransomes used other methods.

Farmerpickle · Oct 26, 2021

I was inquisitive to know as on a TS 86 for normal ploughing the cross shaft is out about 3". It seems to be similar on a TS 59 as well. Thank you to all those who have contributed to this thread. I'm off to get the angle grinder out and cut a keyway, rather than spending a fortune on a milling machine!

Ford4610 · Oct 27, 2021

Tonym said:
Ditto. Tack welded a piece of angle iron to the cross to guide you straight and then cut the sides with a 1mm cutting disc and removed the central bit with a normal grinding disc.

How did you maintain the same depth cutting the keyway.

Tonym · Oct 28, 2021

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Ford4610 said:
How did you maintain the same depth cutting the kekeyway.Just go steady untill it was a nice sliding fit all along. lf it is amm too deep it does not really matter . The width is the important bit hence the angle iron for a guide.

Bury the Trash · Oct 28, 2021

actually i was wrong

for a TS 59E its supposed to be 5 " (125 mm) not 2 3/4" (69mm) thats for TS 59 J & M
but both recommended at 56" wheel centres with 11 X 36 .....

so you can work back from that with your wheel track and tyre width....

Farmerpickle · Oct 28, 2021

Bury the Trash said:
actually i was wrong for a TS 59E its supposed to be 5 " (125 mm) not 2 3/4" (69mm) thats for TS 59 J & M
but both recommended at 56" wheel centres with 11 X 36 .....

so you can work back from that with your wheel track and tyre width....

Just wandered, in what way is the TS 59 E different? Is the cross shaft longer or something? To my knowledge the 'E' and the 'J' are the same plough, they both have cast cross shaft brackets at the front but the beam that supports the middle of the frame is slightly different and, the front furrow width adjuster collars are a little different. The 'M' is the same as the 'J' but, has steel brackets to hold the cross shaft, rather than cast.

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