The coming famine

ARW · Nov 1, 2021

tullah said:
If that happens could the cereal price go the same way as the spud price did in mid 1970s

The price may be irrelevant as this shows a possible famine.
hopefully the price will rise enough to be able to buy fert

glasshouse · Nov 1, 2021

ARW said:
I was thinking today and did some research
Globally we consumed 759 million tonnes of wheat in 2020-2021
If fertiliser is globally unaffordable in 2022 what percentage will yield be down in the first year? 25% average overall?
So we could be 189 million tonnes short of wheat in 2023.

This time next year, wheat will be £500/ton and rape £1000

Cowabunga · Nov 1, 2021

ARW said:
I was thinking today and did some research
Globally we consumed 759 million tonnes of wheat in 2020-2021
If fertiliser is globally unaffordable in 2022 what percentage will yield be down in the first year? 25% average overall?
So we could be 189 million tonnes short of wheat in 2023.

Saying that just ensures that farmers do buy expensive fertiliser to boost the harvest and ensure the shortage never actually happens. Not to a serious famine-inducing level at any rate. That's how markets react.

ARW · Nov 1, 2021

Cowabunga said:
Saying that just ensures that farmers do buy expensive fertiliser to boost the harvest and ensure the shortage never actually happens. Not to a serious famine-inducing level at any rate. That's how markets react.

Let’s hope fert comes back and wheat goes up

glasshouse · Nov 1, 2021

Cowabunga said:
Saying that just ensures that farmers do buy expensive fertiliser to boost the harvest and ensure the shortage never actually happens. Not to a serious famine-inducing level at any rate. That's how markets react.

A lot of farmers wont be able to afford it

Hilly · Nov 1, 2021

Bald Rick said:
I see that Joanna Lumley has called for rationing to be introduced “to save the planet”

Joanna Lumley suggests wartime-like rationing to tackle climate change

‘These are tough times, and I think there’s got to be legislation,’ actor said

www.independent.co.uk

I really dislike that woman. Always have for some reason

Ration the amount of Chinese tat that’s bought in .

Hilly · Nov 1, 2021

som farmer said:
we have some of the strictest gun laws, in the world, for the legal gun owners, just in case we could, might, highly unlikely, do something silly. The illegal guns, which cause the trouble, are fine, because they have tightened the law, f-ing idiots, rustling will get worse, as prices rise, but the cops wont want to know.

Armed , two blokes with blue pipe , you going to stop them ? Who needs a gun .

glasshouse · Nov 1, 2021

Hilly said:
Ration the amount of Chinese tat that’s bought in .

And crappy clothes

Hilly · Nov 1, 2021

glasshouse said:
And crappy clothes

The machinery from the Hawick mills is alive and well ,,,, in China .

steveR · Nov 1, 2021

DrWazzock said:
My brother works in supplying trees for planting. All the big corporations and banks are piling in. Planting thousands of acres of trees to clear their consciences so they can carry on burning fossil fuels as normal. It’s the biggest load of hogwash or greenwash there has ever been. Meanwhile the poor who haven’t bought half a Scottish hillside to offset their carbon usage will be stuck even more permanently in poverty facing swingeing increases in energy bills and will be priced out of private transport. It’s easy to see where all this is going and the usual suspects will make a fortune out of it for no net gain for planet:

Jacob R-M and Co I suspect. Merchant Wan&ers and the like...

glasshouse · Nov 1, 2021

Force everyone to wear woollen under pants

Easedoff · Nov 1, 2021

glasshouse said:
Force everyone to wear woollen under pants

And bathing cossies

glasshouse · Nov 1, 2021

Coal should be burnt rather than trees, as wood is needed elsewhere

Hilly · Nov 1, 2021

glasshouse said:
Force everyone to wear woollen under pants

You first

glasshouse · Nov 1, 2021

Ban lycra

Hilly · Nov 1, 2021

glasshouse said:
Ban lycra

And the bikes that goes with it

Lincoln75 · Nov 1, 2021

som farmer said:
we have some of the strictest gun laws, in the world, for the legal gun owners, just in case we could, might, highly unlikely, do something silly. The illegal guns, which cause the trouble, are fine, because they have tightened the law, f-ing idiots, rustling will get worse, as prices rise, but the cops wont want to know.

Remember the miners strikes in the eighties ?, miners had no strike pay so a lot of cattle and sheep got rustled off farms close to mining towns .

thorpe · Nov 2, 2021

glasshouse said:
Grain trebled in 73
That shocked the world and caused inflation.
The eec introduced the cereal support soon after and started subsidising osr

i dont remember that!

Devil's advocate · Nov 2, 2021

Lincoln75 said:
Remember the miners strikes in the eighties ?, miners had no strike pay so a lot of cattle and sheep got rustled off farms close to mining towns .

Did they, few pits locally don't remember that.

But I do remember losing one acre of potatoes in a night close to street lights, harvested with a fork, what do you reckon 80 people, 20 van loads?

glasshouse · Nov 2, 2021

thorpe said:
i dont remember that!

73 was the great russian grain robbery.
They bought up all the grain in secret, as ther harvest was a failure
In 1930 they did the opposite, starving their own people and collapsing the world price.

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100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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