This time next month, virus.

gone up the hill · Dec 15, 2021

Still Farming said:
Some FAST thinking needed as changing variants across the globe ,wave after wave going to break us all if something not devised ?

They need to treat it like Flu, one booster jab every winter and we get on with life!

In 2016/18 ( or around then ) one winter 60k people died of Flu in the UK alone over about 5 months!

Yet the Gov have lost the plot over a new covid strain that has had one death ( and even then they will not release any details about if it was from or with the new strain/ were they vaccinated etc etc!

gone up the hill · Dec 15, 2021

Still Farming said:
Wales only:

From midnight Friday-
• Rule of 6 in pubs with table service.
• Two homes (number unlimited) can form a bubble.
• Nightclubs closed.
• Large events cancelled (such a festive gatherings and fairgrounds).
• Sporting events with more than 500 people must be played behind closed doors.
• Gyms and leisure facilities can remain open with limited capacity.
• All shops and retail to remain open with limited capacity and stick enforcement of mask wearing where applicable.

Well if that does not show people its all about control then i do not know what will...

Are the Welsh Gov going to support all these pubs/ nighclubs and the staff who work in them. supply them etc or leave them out to dry??

And will people listen to any of this crap ref only two homes/ bubbles etc?? will be very intresting to see if they do or not!

Yale · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Question is will farmers be able to get the stock killed ?? as the staffing issues on the lines is getting worse with each passing week! ( and not only due to covid )

Maybe they will have things like daily lateral flow testing now for every employee.Other measures to keep folk at work.

Still Farming · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
They need to treat it like Flu, one booster jab every winter and we get on with life!

In 2016/18 ( or around then ) one winter 60k people died of Flu in the UK alone over about 5 months!

Yet the Gov have lost the plot over a new covid strain that has had one death ( and even then they will not release any details about if it was from or with the new strain/ were they vaccinated etc etc!

The "Beast" is ahead of the game all the time, looks like, and all traditional approaches and practices are out the window possibly!

gone up the hill · Dec 15, 2021

Yale said:
Maybe they will have things like daily lateral flow testing now for every employee.Other measures to keep folk at work.

Trouble is you cannot now get LFT test kits for love or money!

I actually think its not covid that is the biggest problem getting and keeping staff on the lines but the low rate of pay for what is a very hard and unpleasant job!

Exfarmer · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Utter rubbish, Nearly ALL studies show masks do not work!

And if masks did work then why has Scotland and Wales had such high case numbers all summer when it was law you had to wear a mask?? whilst in Britain you did not have to wear a mask and case numbers dropped dramatically!

Mask wearing is all about making scared people like you feel safe and to keep the covid narrative in the minds of everyone each and every day! its all about population control ref wearing masks, even the UK Gov admitted that in the summer!

really?

Airborne transmission of COVID-19 and the role of face mask to prevent it: a systematic review and meta-analysis - European Journal of Medical Research

Background and aims Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), belonging to the Coronaviridae family, is agent of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19). COVID-19 emerged in Wuhan, Hubei province of China, in early December 2019 and is now considered a pandemic. This study...

eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com

Mask-wearing linked to 53% cut in Covid incidence, global study finds

Researchers said results highlight the need to continue with face coverings, social distancing and handwashing alongside vaccine programmes

www.theguardian.com

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis

The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed...

www.thelancet.com

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Oxford COVID-19 study: face masks and coverings work – act now | University of Oxford

Cloth face coverings, even homemade masks made of the correct material, are effective in reducing the spread of COVID-19 - for the wearer and those around them - according to a new study from Oxford’s Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science.

www.ox.ac.uk

gone up the hill · Dec 15, 2021

Exfarmer said:
really?

Airborne transmission of COVID-19 and the role of face mask to prevent it: a systematic review and meta-analysis - European Journal of Medical Research

Background and aims Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), belonging to the Coronaviridae family, is agent of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19). COVID-19 emerged in Wuhan, Hubei province of China, in early December 2019 and is now considered a pandemic. This study...

eurjmedres.biomedcentral.com

Mask-wearing linked to 53% cut in Covid incidence, global study finds

Researchers said results highlight the need to continue with face coverings, social distancing and handwashing alongside vaccine programmes

www.theguardian.com

Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis

The findings of this systematic review and meta-analysis support physical distancing of 1 m or more and provide quantitative estimates for models and contact tracing to inform policy. Optimum use of face masks, respirators, and eye protection in public and health-care settings should be informed...

www.thelancet.com

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Oxford COVID-19 study: face masks and coverings work – act now | University of Oxford

Cloth face coverings, even homemade masks made of the correct material, are effective in reducing the spread of COVID-19 - for the wearer and those around them - according to a new study from Oxford’s Leverhulme Centre for Demographic Science.

www.ox.ac.uk

Like any trials, you only get the result that you wanted when you start the trials!

Top Tip. · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Well if that does not show people its all about control then i do not know what will...

Are the Welsh Gov going to support all these pubs/ nighclubs and the staff who work in them. supply them etc or leave them out to dry??

And will people listen to any of this crap ref only two homes/ bubbles etc?? will be very intresting to see if they do or not!

The thing is pubs/clubs and nightclubs are not essential. Big concert in Glasgow on Sunday night,Deacon Blue playing the SECC 15000 attending , Cup final in Hampden on Saturday,10s of thousands there but we are limited to maximum of three households mixing. There is some seriously mixed up thinking going on.

Jonp · Dec 15, 2021

Stood in the queue yesterday in the co-op. Young fella in front coughing and sneezing. If he had been wearing a mask all the spittle and gunk would have been on his face not all over the tins on the shelf next to him (we could see it as we side stepped past).
If wearing a mask helps hygeiene, even just a little bit, I'm happy to wear one, it's no skin off my nose. Sick to death of hearing people arguing about wether they work or not, they're a muzzle etc and all the other conspiracy theories going around.

gone up the hill · Dec 15, 2021

Top Tip. said:
The thing is pubs/clubs and nightclubs are not essential. Big concert in Glasgow on Sunday night,Deacon Blue playing the SECC 15000 attending , Cup final in Hampden on Saturday,10s of thousands there but we are limited to maximum of three households mixing. There is some seriously mixed up thinking going on.

Actually the thing is pubs/clubs etc are essential to the people who work in them and the businesses/staff who supply them!

Unless of course the Gov is going to bring back support like Furlough/ the bounce back loan to support them whilst they are shut!

And of course these places are essential from a mental health point of view as well !

You only get one life, are people really going to have to waste half of their life each year living in lockdown for years on end for something that is no worse for most people than a common cold??

Only mixed up thinking going on is that some people think lockdown after lockdown is the answer!

Macsky · Dec 15, 2021

I wonder if/hope this is the very contagious but not so dangerous variant that gets around everyone and knocks the epidemic on the head.

Exfarmer · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Actually the thing is pubs/clubs etc are essential to the people who work in them and the businesses/staff who supply them!

Unless of course the Gov is going to bring back support like Furlough/ the bounce back loan to support them whilst they are shut!

And of course these places are essential from a mental health point of view as well !

You only get one life, are people really going to have to waste half of their life each year living in lockdown for years on end for something that is no worse for most people than a common cold??

Only mixed up thinking going on is that some people think lockdown after lockdown is the answer!

How did people manage without night clubs for all of millennia until the last 20 years?
To suggest they are invaluable to society is ludicrous

SilliamWhale · Dec 15, 2021

Greythundercloudys said:
After today's numbers, probably buy the first weeks of January there will be way over 100000 a day. I think after Xmas day the country will shut again for a month. This get a jag won't hold it back in the end it will be out of control, Johnstone always playing it up but that expert looked and sounded worried tonight.

Or it will peak within about a week or two - like every other wave has done

gone up the hill · Dec 15, 2021

Exfarmer said:
How did people manage without night clubs for all of millennia until the last 20 years?
To suggest they are invaluable to society is ludicrous

We do not live in the dark ages anymore!

The problem is that people like yourself who are very wealthy/ retired are not affected by businesses like pubs/ nightclubs being shut and lockdowns being implemented yet if you were 50 years younger and were affected you would be thinking the total opposite of what you currently do.

Fubar · Dec 15, 2021

unlacedgecko said:
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The whole county will have been infected by Christmas. 2 weeks of isolation/ recuperating and we will all be able to go back to normal by second week of Jan.

JeepJeep · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
Utter rubbish, Nearly ALL studies show masks do not work!

And if masks did work then why has Scotland and Wales had such high case numbers all summer when it was law you had to wear a mask?? whilst in Britain you did not have to wear a mask and case numbers dropped dramatically!

Good Question... Seriously. My reply would be because of all the thick ones where rules were lapse thinking it was ok to export themselves elsewhere.,

A lot of the Angry ones in wales haven't a pot to pee in and are involved in the Tourism industry

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Exfarmer · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
We do not live in the dark ages anymore!

The problem is that people like yourself who are very wealthy/ retired are not affected by businesses like pubs/ nightclubs being shut and lockdowns being implemented yet if you were 50 years younger and were affected you would be thinking the total opposite of what you currently do.

So the coming of night clubs is the equivalent of the Enlightenment

Taking simple precautions, masks, distancing and whatever vaccinations are available is just an easy way to lessen the effects of this virus.
Sadly so many cannot bother to take the smallest of precautions that means the virus can spread so quickly ensuring that the government has to take these sort of steps to protect those idiots who are too f***** lazy or ignorant to get the jab

yellow belly · Dec 15, 2021

The virus will hit the wall of immunity very quickly so case rates will stop rising at some point soon
imunity from 3 vaccines
or a combination of vaccine and catching it
of for those who are not meeting other people

it cannot double every 3 days for very long

but case rates will still be quite high as there are 10 % of people not vaccinated

JeepJeep · Dec 15, 2021

gone up the hill said:
We do not live in the dark ages anymore!

The problem is that people like yourself who are very wealthy/ retired are not affected by businesses like pubs/ nightclubs being shut and lockdowns being implemented yet if you were 50 years younger and were affected you would be thinking the total opposite of what you currently do.

I agree... Whilst I have a fellow come over between 4 pm and 10.30 pm to operate the corkscrew and bottle opener and fetch the nibbles and turn the TV over It is indeed worrying times.

I've not f**ked about and imported 2 ex USSR Full on Chemical/Gas Suits

SilliamWhale · Dec 15, 2021

Jonp said:
Stood in the queue yesterday in the co-op. Young fella in front coughing and sneezing. If he had been wearing a mask all the spittle and gunk would have been on his face not all over the tins on the shelf next to him (we could see it as we side stepped past).
If wearing a mask helps hygeiene, even just a little bit, I'm happy to wear one, it's no skin off my nose. Sick to death of hearing people arguing about wether they work or not, they're a muzzle etc and all the other conspiracy theories going around.

They don't work. But feelings seem to guide rather than evidence.

Remember the Kent variant everyone?

This time next month, virus.

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