ColinV6
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Had a call from a neighbour today telling me RT has collapsed over Christmas. Anybody any actual facts?
Interesting we’ve an inspection on the 18th and it’s all going ahead as far as I know..
Had a call from a neighbour today telling me RT has collapsed over Christmas. Anybody any actual facts?
No but he is still writing in FW as saw a snippet on Twitter, I did comment, it was swiftly removed, so I re commented. How can FW employ such a tool after what he has said about fellow farmers. It discredits FW, a shame they have got it so wrong.
I was looking at Mr Moseley’s CV. He has worked most of his career in the procurement of agricultural produce, not the production or growing of produce.
Isn’t it a case of sheep being told what to do by a wolf?
Is this why RT is gold plated in the way they require an annual sprayer MOT for example rather than a three yearly test as required by law?
An organisation lead by a representative of our customers who rely on extracting as much profit out of us as possible is never really going to work in our best interests as far as I can see.
I agree on the need for assurance, for checks and balances, but it needs to be proportionate and fair. At moment they are getting too much for free over and above legal minimum and showing us no premium for that.
How many times does this need repeating before the penny drops?
I agree.maybe all those who get made redundant if and hopefully when red tractor fails,coukd ending up helping out in abatoirs to help out the stock farmers.I don’t agree on the need for assurance, nor for extra ‘checks and balances’. Govt agencies already do that.
Anything more than not does not add value in any way. Consumers don’t pay a premium for it, even those few that do recognise what the little red tractor means. A simple Union Jack for (wholly) uk produce would give the exact same confidence, for free.
Well I do agree there should be sprayer MOTs but only every 3 years as the law requires. I agree with the NSTS and to some extent NROSO. The government doesn’t have a system set up to do these jobs. I’m happy to fund self regulation and testing in those areas. But they need to keep it pragmatic. An annual sprayer test of a 24m sprayer that covers 200 acres of crops is ridiculous. NRoSO suspending people is ridiculous.I don’t agree on the need for assurance, nor for extra ‘checks and balances’. Govt agencies already do that.
Anything more than not does not add value in any way. Consumers don’t pay a premium for it, even those few that do recognise what the little red tractor means. A simple Union Jack for (wholly) uk produce would give the exact same confidence, for free.
I was looking at Mr Moseley’s CV. He has worked most of his career in the procurement of agricultural produce, not the production or growing of produce.
Isn’t it a case of sheep being told what to do by a wolf?
Is this why RT is gold plated in the way they require an annual sprayer MOT for example rather than a three yearly test as required by law?
An organisation lead by a representative of our customers who rely on extracting as much profit out of us as possible is never really going to work in our best interests as far as I can see.
I agree on the need for assurance, for checks and balances, but it needs to be proportionate and fair. At moment they are getting too much for free over and above legal minimum and showing us no premium for that.
How many times does this need repeating before the penny drops?
Well I do agree there should be sprayer MOTs but only every 3 years as the law requires. I agree with the NSTS and to some extent NROSO. The government doesn’t have a system set up to do these jobs. I’m happy to fund self regulation and testing in those areas. But they need to keep it pragmatic. An annual sprayer test of a 24m sprayer that covers 200 acres of crops is ridiculous. NRoSO suspending people is ridiculous.
If he's so concerned about finding tiny leaks then he'd better be available to do all the spraying 365 days of the year.The sprayer test in itself is pretty ridiculous. Some bloke coming once a year to test for leaks for £300 plus.
That NROSO magazine is shite too - every time there is an article about some bloke using a notebook vs ipad for crop recording
On the sprayer operator's Facebook page NRoso seem to be getting as much stick as red tractor with, what seems like. Staggering levels of incompetence. It's quite sad that a scheme that is supposed to check that we are doing our job right can't do there'sThe sprayer test in itself is pretty ridiculous. Some bloke coming once a year to test for leaks for £300 plus.
That NROSO magazine is shite too - every time there is an article about some bloke using a notebook vs ipad for crop recording
What hasn't started to register with some of these organisations is that with the BPS going, farms are going to be looking for savings.A local farmer who is also an inspector has jumped ship saying its all going wrong internally but the most shocking comment from him was that he'd been an NFU member for 40 years but was cancelling that as well because they won't listen about RT in any way. Its just another income for them so they will support it to the end, which might just be the end of them as well at this rate. The level of discontent is alarming.
It's not surprising really when at the end of the day your teaching granny to suck eggs! It's just surprising it's taken 10/20 years for a revolt on all these schemes .On the sprayer operator's Facebook page NRoso seem to be getting as much stick as red tractor with, what seems like. Staggering levels of incompetence. It's quite sad that a scheme that is supposed to check that we are doing our job right can't do there's
I was pondering that as well, I presume that all the UK grain would either have to go to landfill as its now unassured and unfit for consumption or maybe the merchants would say something like " put your or your crop rep basis no. on the yellow passport along with the nroso number* and that will do"So what happens if they go under?
Presumably you lose your premium but can sell your produce anyway? It's the same stuff after all.
What hasn't started to register with some of these organisations is that with the BPS going, farms are going to be looking for savings.
Here's a clear example of expenditure with no value to the farmer, only added costs. A prime candidate for cost cutting, especially if they go belly up with your membership fee.
Well I do agree there should be sprayer MOTs but only every 3 years as the law requires. I agree with the NSTS and to some extent NROSO. The government doesn’t have a system set up to do these jobs. I’m happy to fund self regulation and testing in those areas. But they need to keep it pragmatic. An annual sprayer test of a 24m sprayer that covers 200 acres of crops is ridiculous. NRoSO suspending people is ridiculous.
So what happens if they go under?
Presumably you lose your premium but can sell your produce anyway? It's the same stuff after all.
'I grew my corn good. Honest mister.'There is no premium and no added value, that’s the point isn’t it?
If RT went belly up overnight, the merchant trade would overnight decide that perhaps they didn’t need it after all. Otherwise their trade, and income, would stop too.
A simple declaration to say that the grain is produced to legal standards would suffice. The template could even be lifted off the RT website I suspect, or I could write one in 10 minutes if they like.
'I grew my corn good. Honest mister.'
There, done.