ColinV6
Member
Interesting we’ve an inspection on the 18th and it’s all going ahead as far as I know..
Concerned about Red Tractor collapse.
- Thread starter traineefarmer
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Interesting we’ve an inspection on the 18th and it’s all going ahead as far as I know..
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
FW is right behind RT. If you listen to their podcasts, the underlying message is always pro-RT whenever it is mentioned.
There was a piece in the last one, from early December, where one of the presenters was blathering on about something and brought it round to needing to be built on the framework of RT to give even more provenance.
Mind, the same fella was moaning about hard it was going to be for large arable farms to replace their lost BPS, far harder than it would be for smaller farms, who would find it easy apparently.
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- Location
- Montgomeryshire
I don’t agree on the need for assurance, nor for extra ‘checks and balances’. Govt agencies already do that.
Anything more than not does not add value in any way. Consumers don’t pay a premium for it, even those few that do recognise what the little red tractor means. A simple Union Jack for (wholly) uk produce would give the exact same confidence, for free.
- Location
- south norfolk
I agree.maybe all those who get made redundant if and hopefully when red tractor fails,coukd ending up helping out in abatoirs to help out the stock farmers.
nick…
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Well I do agree there should be sprayer MOTs but only every 3 years as the law requires. I agree with the NSTS and to some extent NROSO. The government doesn’t have a system set up to do these jobs. I’m happy to fund self regulation and testing in those areas. But they need to keep it pragmatic. An annual sprayer test of a 24m sprayer that covers 200 acres of crops is ridiculous. NRoSO suspending people is ridiculous.
SilliamWhale
Member
Penny drops for whom?
We know that its all rubbish. Mosely is only doing it all because he gets paid - no other reason. Smith and Mackintosh are doing because they are paid to act directly against the interests of farmers who voted them into positions to represent their interests previously - they have about turned when paid.
Merchants only request it because their trade body compels them and their trade bodies' are offered it for free.
SilliamWhale
Member
The sprayer test in itself is pretty ridiculous. Some bloke coming once a year to test for leaks for £300 plus.
That NROSO magazine is shite too - every time there is an article about some bloke using a notebook vs ipad for crop recording
tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
If he's so concerned about finding tiny leaks then he'd better be available to do all the spraying 365 days of the year.
- Location
- Darlington
On the sprayer operator's Facebook page NRoso seem to be getting as much stick as red tractor with, what seems like. Staggering levels of incompetence. It's quite sad that a scheme that is supposed to check that we are doing our job right can't do there's
A local farmer who is also an inspector has jumped ship saying its all going wrong internally but the most shocking comment from him was that he'd been an NFU member for 40 years but was cancelling that as well because they won't listen about RT in any way. Its just another income for them so they will support it to the end, which might just be the end of them as well at this rate. The level of discontent is alarming.
- Location
- Essex
So what happens if they go under?
Presumably you lose your premium but can sell your produce anyway? It's the same stuff after all.
Presumably you lose your premium but can sell your produce anyway? It's the same stuff after all.
- Location
- Essex
What hasn't started to register with some of these organisations is that with the BPS going, farms are going to be looking for savings.
Here's a clear example of expenditure with no value to the farmer, only added costs. A prime candidate for cost cutting, especially if they go belly up with your membership fee.
serf
Member
- Location
- warwickshire
It's not surprising really when at the end of the day your teaching granny to suck eggs! It's just surprising it's taken 10/20 years for a revolt on all these schemes .
- Location
- Somerset UK
I was pondering that as well, I presume that all the UK grain would either have to go to landfill as its now unassured and unfit for consumption or maybe the merchants would say something like " put your or your crop rep basis no. on the yellow passport along with the nroso number* and that will do"
* That assumes that they don't collapse as well
SilliamWhale
Member
And these organisations promised to add value and they have had 20 years to do it and they don't.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
NSTS is already a legal requirement, every three years, farm assured or not. There’s no reason for that to disappear with RT.
As for NROSO, there’s no need for it at all, but could stay as a voluntary organisation of course, if they could find enough subscribers to make it viable (doubtful).
Any scheme that is based on collecting points for going to a show, attending a company’s knee’s up, or even just being a member on here FFS, does nothing for safety of pesticide application. It’s as bad as RT in that it is there purely to tick boxes, and worse, make you attend promotional events to get a hard sell.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
There is no premium and no added value, that’s the point isn’t it?
If RT went belly up overnight, the merchant trade would overnight decide that perhaps they didn’t need it after all. Otherwise their trade, and income, would stop too.
A simple declaration to say that the grain is produced to legal standards would suffice. The template could even be lifted off the RT website I suspect, or I could write one in 10 minutes if they like.
- Location
- Darlington
SilliamWhale
Member
'I grew my corn good. Honest mister.'
There, done.
Well half the people in the country think you should be able to self identify as a man if you are a woman or vice versa if you so wished so I don't think it should be an issue of producing to legal standards
- Location
- Scottish Borders
If I get caught with my leaking sprayer and sent to prison I am going to identify as a woman. It would be much more fun in a women's prison.