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JCMaloney · Dec 20, 2021

Its the lead oxide/dioxide that does the damage rather than anything else.
If you find very old lead it can have a "chalky" patina to it, thats the dangerous stuff especially if inhaled.

Lead dioxide

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If you inadvertently eat a couple of shotgun pellets in your dinner they will just pass through and get fired out the tailpipe.

ajcc · Dec 20, 2021

Bit of a difference between drinking water ten times a day from lead piping for 30 years and eating pheasants half a dozen times a year with the odd pellet consumed one year in ten. Probably more danger of contamination from using set of jump leads and inadvertently touching a battery terminal .

Old Tup · Dec 20, 2021

JCMaloney said:
Its the lead oxide/dioxide that does the damage rather than anything else.
If you find very old lead it can have a "chalky" patina to it, thats the dangerous stuff especially if inhaled.

Lead dioxide

Lead dioxide | PbO2 or O2Pb | CID 14793 - structure, chemical names, physical and chemical properties, classification, patents, literature, biological activities, safety/hazards/toxicity information, supplier lists, and more.

pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If you inadvertently eat a couple of shotgun pellets in your dinner they will just pass through and get fired out the tailpipe.

Once had to have a Chest X-ray…..Radiographer arrived back with a very concerned look on her face….
Have you been shot? Came the question.
No!
Why do you ask?
There on the X-ray was the tell tale trickle of pellets making their way through the system.
Roast Pheasant Sunday lunch before was the culprit…..
About a dozen in total

renewablejohn · Dec 20, 2021

ajcc said:
Bit of a difference between drinking water ten times a day from lead piping for 30 years and eating pheasants half a dozen times a year with the odd pellet consumed one year in ten. Probably more danger of contamination from using set of jump leads and inadvertently touching a battery terminal .

Think it was only 10 years from when they moved to the farm to him being diagnosed but they did not connect to the lead pipe being the cause until after he died.

Red Fred · Dec 20, 2021

Dad's old vet, long retired, once told me how he was driving across the Forest late one night when he noticed one of his customers driving erratically in his new Series 1 Land Rover, and in the end it drove off the road and came to a stop against a tree. The vet jumped out to assist and found the farmer dazed with blood all over the back of his head. The farmer refused the offer of a trip to hospital to have it looked at but the vet found his head full of pellets, and the farmer eventually admitted he had been to visit a neighbouring farmer's wife while hubby was away at a show, but hubby had come back early, found them at it, and given him a couple of barrels as he sped off.
So lead can be extremely dangerous to farmers, almost as much as jodhpurs.

Steevo · Dec 20, 2021

7610 super q said:
I loved John Craven's attempt at humour. Pretending to pull out a ferocious animal from a cage with welding gloves on.......... and it's the Countryfile calendar. Oh the hilarity.

Their attempts at "discovering" the calendar just get worse and worse.....I wish they'd just drop the charade.

That said, I usually find it better to just drop watching the drivel and avoid the programme altogether.

primmiemoo · Dec 20, 2021

But are you reallyreallyreally sure you want to do that, @Steevo ?

YorkshireAndrew · Dec 20, 2021

I knew it was time to stop watching it when there was a piece on one week about some folk making musical instruments out of carrots & other vegetables .

JCMaloney · Dec 20, 2021

The bit about refugees made me wonder what I had turned on to be fair.

Anyway one of the presenters is a family friend, and my Mum was terribly excited when she came to our wedding!

Tarw Coch · Dec 20, 2021

YorkshireAndrew said:
I knew it was time to stop watching it when there was a piece on one week about some folk making musical instruments out of carrots & other vegetables .

Wind instruments?
I’m sure there’s plenty of images on tinternet of blowing carrots

Henarar · Dec 20, 2021

Tarw Coch said:
Wind instruments?
I’m sure there’s plenty of images on tinternet of blowing carrots

britt · Dec 20, 2021

Bury the Trash said:
the bit about Waitrose highlighted that actual fact as it was in a bird and they didnt even know about it

It's a shot bird, that it contains lead shot is to be expected. You would not expect it to be in beef because that's not how they are killed.

Forkdriver · Dec 20, 2021

The lead shot issue is not going away. When it costs about £45 to £50 per bird to go on a driven shoot the costs of alternative shot (tungsten, bismuth or steel) is insignificant. In years to come l wouldn't be surprised if land on commercial shoots or clay grounds wasn't designated as contaminated land.

Bury the Trash · Dec 20, 2021

britt said:
It's a shot bird, that it contains lead shot is to be expected. You would not expect it to be in beef because that's not how they are killed.

Some are killed with a bullet actually but the heads not used for food, these days anyway.

but the point isas previously mentioned and as you seem to ignore, its a food product and why there is one rule for one type of meat/food and one for another ?? ..

and are they assured those birds ?

reply with an answer correctly next time or not at all.

britt · Dec 21, 2021

Bury the Trash said:
Some are killed with a bullet actually but the heads not used for food, these days anyway.

but the point isas previously mentioned and as you seem to ignore, its a food product and why there is one rule for one type of meat/food and one for another ?? ..

and are they assured those birds ?

reply with an answer correctly next time or not at all.

My point was that people expect shot game to contain shot, as that is normal.
Nobody expects to find lead in beef as it is not normal. The percentage of cattle killed with a free bullet must be tiny, and as you say the head is not used for food anyway.
People should have the right choose for themselves. Not be dictated to on the the assumption that they do not have the intelligence to make their own decisions.

Dry Rot · Dec 21, 2021

The public are very sensitive about lead in food. A mate of mine set up as a game dealer and got a contract with a major pet food company for rabbits. Only about a teaspoon of rabbit goes into each tin but they still sell a lot of rabbit cat and dog food. One item in the contract was a total prohibition against lead shot.

All went well and my friend was making a lot of money. He not only bought dog caught rabbits off a certain mobile class but bought rabbit heads in from other game dealers and had a team skinning them.

Then he bought a new machine that transformed the rabbits, bones and all, into something resembling toothpaste. He was telling me how easy it was to make money. Not only that but the new machine seemed to filter out shotgun pellets so he could buy in shot rabbits!

But the pet food company found a pellet that had got through the inspection. The contract was cancelled and my friend took to drink and went bust. Sadly, a true story. Little old ladies don't like the thought of Tibbles eating lead shot and can sue if they do.

Red Fred · Dec 21, 2021

I used to do very nicely out of rabbits. A chap on my milk round started making game pate for the London restaurants and could take any number as long as they were head shots with the .22 rather than shotgun. It got to the point where it was getting difficult to find 100 in an evening at short notice and I wasn't sorry when he moved nearer London himself. It certainly improved my aim and kept the dog fit too. These days, the rabbits are no longer at pest levels so I leave them be.

Bury the Trash · Dec 21, 2021

Red Fred said:
I used to do very nicely out of rabbits. A chap on my milk round started making game pate for the London restaurants and could take any number as long as they were head shots with the .22 rather than shotgun. It got to the point where it was getting difficult to find 100 in an evening at short notice and I wasn't sorry when he moved nearer London himself. It certainly improved my aim and kept the dog fit too. These days, the rabbits are no longer at pest levels so I leave them be.

they are here

the fudgers

Willie adie · Dec 21, 2021

Still Farming said:
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Tractorstant said:
I found it very informative, especially the info about Bobble Hats! Cheers, Adam.

Thank god there are no serious topics that need addressing in farming.

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Henson should have a clitoris on his forehead,
So we all know he's a twit as soon as we see him.
Replace the i with an a. In twit.

Steevo · Jan 9, 2022

Does anyone understand the venison piece?

It seemed an utter contradiction to me.

Henson said people are eating less venison during COVID so demand down, thus arable farmers then facing problems with numbers increasing and significantly damaging crops.

Yet the farmer then says demand has exploded in recent years…..and conveniently he owns a restaurant that sells venison!

I couldn’t quite see what the issue was and/or what point the article was making.

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