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2hrs in the office checking records, then 10mins actually looking around the farm at the important bits.Zero credibility
Then they wonder why Red Tractor is getting discredited.
2hrs in the office checking records, then 10mins actually looking around the farm at the important bits.Zero credibility
RT too busy checking to see if we've got a H&S policy, but they can't he there 24/7/365 checking what happens on farm (Panorama Cow), so how can they know if welfare practices are good. Yet we're forced to pay up to RT to sell our produce.Its almost easier to not show your H&S policy, collect the non-conformance than produce it within 28 days - less hassle on the day, happy inspector, RT admin kept busy - downside is that RT than then claim their existence is justified - "just look at all these non-conformances! We are needed to police these naughty farmers"
What an absolute joke!!
Do you guys not read the rules book ever? I wouldn’t consider going into an audit without knowing what I’m being audited against. Or do RT not tell you the rules of their club?do we need one?
They do not make it easy to know the rules, when you think you know the rules they will change them and give themselves more things to fail you onDo you guys not read the rules book ever? I wouldn’t consider going into an audit without knowing what I’m being audited against. Or do RT not tell you the rules of their club?
They don’t send you a copy?They do not make it easy to know the rules, when you think you know the rules they will change them and give themselves more things to fail you on
The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.Do you guys not read the rules book ever? I wouldn’t consider going into an audit without knowing what I’m being audited against. Or do RT not tell you the rules of their club?
So it says you need a record of the Policy and a record that it’s been communicated to employees? That seems to imply you need something written. Sure I agree some one man bands might not have any employees apart from themselves, but they still have that one person. And the standard does say that a policy is needed, so how come so many are being caught by surprise when they’re asked for it?The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.
Chairman Guy Smith says it's the law to have a H&S policy (which is wrong) in his preface, RT said a few months back that the new standards would need a written policy if under 5 employees, and now it seems to have morphed into everyone needing a policy, but we don't quite know if it should be written or not because it isn't clear in the standard.
I think the idiots are more confused than we are.The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.
Chairman Guy Smith says it's the law to have a H&S policy (which is wrong) in his preface, RT said a few months back that the new standards would need a written policy if under 5 employees, and now it seems to have morphed into everyone needing a policy, but we don't quite know if it should be written or not because it isn't clear in the standard.
You're right really. Suppose I was being unnecessarily pedantic.So it says you need a record of the Policy and a record that it’s been communicated to employees? That seems to imply you need something written. Sure I agree some one man bands might not have any employees apart from themselves, but they still have that one person. And the standard does say that a policy is needed, so how come so many are being caught by surprise when they’re asked for it?
A policy that’s not written somewhere isn’t really a policy, is it? I can see the confusion but claiming you have an unwritten one is surely a cop out that would indicate a lack of professionalism?
As for Guy’s preamble being incorrect - I presume you sent back the relevant document to RT and rejected it?
Yes its the case in point,oh You obviously didn’t get the irony in the Above…..
Do you guys not read the rules book ever? I wouldn’t consider going into an audit without knowing what I’m being audited against. Or do RT not tell you the rules of their club?
The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.
Chairman Guy Smith says it's the law to have a H&S policy (which is wrong) in his preface, RT said a few months back that the new standards would need a written policy if under 5 employees, and now it seems to have morphed into everyone needing a policy, but we don't quite know if it should be written or not because it isn't clear in the standard.
I’m not in England, and not assured. But I’m sure it’s no worse than many other day job requirements.Have you read how much crap is in the rule book? Its mostly self serving jargon
They've done a good job stitching us all up. Voluntary, yet mandatory.The RT on the other hand is a corrupted tinpot rabble of paid off farmers with big ego's and an executive wanting to keep their job for the jobs sake. The latter has no authority or credibility - it is entirely self serving
I had inspection 2 weeks ago as well. The inspector in my case said that a H&E policy was mandatory, even though I'm a one man band too!! What a moron!!I had my Red Tractor inspection 2 weeks ago. The inspector said I didn’t need a Health and Safety Policy because I’m a one man band. How’s that for consistency?
It’s irrelavant as red tractor are a private company and not recognised by the HSE.Hands up who would prefer to have a HSE on farm inspection, than to download a few sheets of templates and tick the RT box....
In the knowledge that the moment HSE find an actionable non compliance, they start billing you for their time, and also bill for each subsequent visit until they are satisfied you comply with all the relevant workplace legislation.
As I keep saying, be careful what you wish for.