- Location
- Yorks
2hrs in the office checking records, then 10mins actually looking around the farm at the important bits.
Then they wonder why Red Tractor is getting discredited.
Concerned about Red Tractor collapse.
- Thread starter traineefarmer
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Then they wonder why Red Tractor is getting discredited.
- Location
- Yorks
RT too busy checking to see if we've got a H&S policy, but they can't he there 24/7/365 checking what happens on farm (Panorama Cow), so how can they know if welfare practices are good. Yet we're forced to pay up to RT to sell our produce.
In actual fact, the standard doesn't say you need a written H&S policy. Just that you've got a H&S policy, and it's communicated to employees.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Do you guys not read the rules book ever? I wouldn’t consider going into an audit without knowing what I’m being audited against. Or do RT not tell you the rules of their club?
- Location
- North yorks
They do not make it easy to know the rules, when you think you know the rules they will change them and give themselves more things to fail you on
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
They don’t send you a copy?
- Location
- Yorks
The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.
Chairman Guy Smith says it's the law to have a H&S policy (which is wrong) in his preface, RT said a few months back that the new standards would need a written policy if under 5 employees, and now it seems to have morphed into everyone needing a policy, but we don't quite know if it should be written or not because it isn't clear in the standard.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
So it says you need a record of the Policy and a record that it’s been communicated to employees? That seems to imply you need something written. Sure I agree some one man bands might not have any employees apart from themselves, but they still have that one person. And the standard does say that a policy is needed, so how come so many are being caught by surprise when they’re asked for it?The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.
Chairman Guy Smith says it's the law to have a H&S policy (which is wrong) in his preface, RT said a few months back that the new standards would need a written policy if under 5 employees, and now it seems to have morphed into everyone needing a policy, but we don't quite know if it should be written or not because it isn't clear in the standard.
A policy that’s not written somewhere isn’t really a policy, is it? I can see the confusion but claiming you have an unwritten one is surely a cop out that would indicate a lack of professionalism?
As for Guy’s preamble being incorrect - I presume you sent back the relevant document to RT and rejected it?
- Location
- south norfolk
I’ve downloaded a couple of differant health and safety documents and stored em on my iPad.one runs to 30 something pages so I’m not gonna print that and waste a load of paper and ink for them.
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tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
I think the idiots are more confused than we are.The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.
Chairman Guy Smith says it's the law to have a H&S policy (which is wrong) in his preface, RT said a few months back that the new standards would need a written policy if under 5 employees, and now it seems to have morphed into everyone needing a policy, but we don't quite know if it should be written or not because it isn't clear in the standard.
Lot of good for nothing time wasters.
- Location
- Yorks
You're right really. Suppose I was being unnecessarily pedantic.
Dim Reaper
Member
- Location
- North Yorkshire
I had my Red Tractor inspection 2 weeks ago. The inspector said I didn’t need a Health and Safety Policy because I’m a one man band. How’s that for consistency?
Yes its the case in point,
how we can be distracted from core really important things.
SilliamWhale
Member
Have you read how much crap is in the rule book? Its mostly self serving jargon
SilliamWhale
Member
The rules aren't clear. They're saying you need a written policy, but the standards doesn't say it must be written. It just denotes 'R', which is the code to say their is a record. But the standard asks for the policy to be communicated to the employees, so presumably that needs a record that they've had a training day, and some of us don't have any employees, so how can we record that training day.
Chairman Guy Smith says it's the law to have a H&S policy (which is wrong) in his preface, RT said a few months back that the new standards would need a written policy if under 5 employees, and now it seems to have morphed into everyone needing a policy, but we don't quite know if it should be written or not because it isn't clear in the standard.
Health and Safety is the domain of the HSE - a government agency with enforcable powers. Someone may not agree all of their rules or advice but they can at least recognise the authority of them. And their remit and intention is still about health and safety not making money.
The RT on the other hand is a corrupted tinpot rabble of paid off farmers with big ego's and an executive wanting to keep their job for the jobs sake. The latter has no authority or credibility - it is entirely self serving spivvery
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- Location
- Scottish Highlands
I’m not in England, and not assured. But I’m sure it’s no worse than many other day job requirements.
is it available online?
Hands up who would prefer to have a HSE on farm inspection, than to download a few sheets of templates and tick the RT box....
In the knowledge that the moment HSE find an actionable non compliance, they start billing you for their time, and also bill for each subsequent visit until they are satisfied you comply with all the relevant workplace legislation.
As I keep saying, be careful what you wish for.
In the knowledge that the moment HSE find an actionable non compliance, they start billing you for their time, and also bill for each subsequent visit until they are satisfied you comply with all the relevant workplace legislation.
As I keep saying, be careful what you wish for.
- Location
- Yorks
They've done a good job stitching us all up. Voluntary, yet mandatory.
Self serving sums them up. All about making their jobs indispensable.
Razzmatazz
Member
I had inspection 2 weeks ago as well. The inspector in my case said that a H&E policy was mandatory, even though I'm a one man band too!! What a moron!!
It’s irrelavant as red tractor are a private company and not recognised by the HSE.
and in my case as I don’t have any employees in the eyes of the HSE I don’t need a written Health and safety policy