- Location
- Fife
Yeah that makes sense. But the upland sheep only grass I spoke of earlier has me scratching my head. £165/ac for summer grass for ewes and lambs? They must have much better sheep than me!
Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker
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Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
I don’t know how paying rent pays full stop atm
- Location
- Essex
I think it pays the landowner though...
livestock 1
Member
It’s too much. If there’s running about to add on (which there will be) then that adds up too.
Sometimes these grass parks are a let out for folk in which case the cost is spread out through the rest of the business. If it was a profitable business decision then more likely someone would come and take the lot it’s usually many people taking a bit each
- Location
- Fife
So this is my point. With BPS being removed the rest of the business is going to be a lot less profitable. So, logically, the rents will have to fall. Otherwise, where is the cash going to come from?
- Location
- Fife
Tight control of other costs/as little inputs as possible without compromising profitability.
But they might value extending the dairy grazing platform or silage land at £300 at home , the increase in fuel hauling a 20 ton crop of maize home could soon be a significant proportion of the sheep rent .
BPS has always been a hinderance to real farmers . Enviro schemes even worse !
livestock 1
Member
Well it’s not really the circumstances I’m thinking of but you could be also right in what you are saying
I’ve been short of grass in the spring then just had to crack on and take some grass or other times had sheep on winter keep which would be later let as grass parks but had to take it for the summer as I had eaten it off to late for the landlord
There’s all sorts of alterations in these calculations at the moment and most of them are difficult to judge going forward
livestock 1
Member
I suppose the real answer is we know this cash is being pumped into the system but where does it end up? That’s the real question and answer?
It could be anywhere from supermarkets to landlords to machinery dealers the list is long
all three but mainly the first 2 , sub free countries still use and repair machinery
livestock 1
Member
Then there’s tax? If you are farming profitability pre bps then why pay it back again in tax if you can buy some machinery to make your faming enterprise more profitable, easier, save time, less worries of breakdowns…….
Just because
Member
I don't think bps will ever end
lloyd
Member
- Location
- Herefordshire
All this talk of sub free countries is very misleading
when they are either subsidised in other ways or have
very poor welfare or enviromental regulations .
when they are either subsidised in other ways or have
very poor welfare or enviromental regulations .
- Location
- Fife
Unpopular opinion, the UK has very poor welfare for sheep.
Hilly
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders.
If you need new gear yes if you just renewing gear to save tax not good better ways to save tax .
Hilly
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders.
Which country is better ?
Northeastfarmer
Member
- Location
- Cleveland
New Zealand….they just shoot them…
- Location
- Fife
I don't know. But the levels of chronic and acute lameness in UK flocks is not indicative of good welfare.
Big demand at the moment, probably linked to the fert job