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Because of governments cheap food policy
Scrapping farm assurance
- Thread starter Drillman
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SilliamWhale
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The NFU isn't designed for farmers.
If it was they would care about farmers opinions.
The NFU is a trade association for corporations in the food industry.
Once you see it, its obvious
SilliamWhale
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No unassured grain is not allowed into the UK because of the govts cheap food policy at all.
We have always traded grain in and out of this country, the lack of "assurance" is neither here nor there, the govt don't even care about assurance
You've totally got the wrong end of the stick.
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Organic would be as well with strict protocols and standards. To prevent contamination.
Are there any factories that are dedicated to one single product line? Doubt it
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But they did say at the time none was found in a RT product.
They also put full page adverts in all the main newspapers.
But don't let the truth get in the way of your agendas.
They also put full page adverts in all the main newspapers.
But don't let the truth get in the way of your agendas.
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So they double checked throught the audit trail in place. Wouldn't you?
Yet with the dairy farm in Wales where they did act straight away and ceased his membership.
Dammed if they do, dammed if they don't.
SilliamWhale
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This is true.
But that doesn't mean anything much necessarily
Sure Red Tractor meat didn't have horse in it. But did any meat labelled as British have horse in it? (I can't remember now). I don't think any butchers sold meat with horse in it. In fact did any UK fresh meat (ie stuff that looked recognisably meat in the packet) have horse in it?
All it means is that the meat that had horse in it was generally the lowest value (ie cheap crap) meat anyway and was in the processed food, Red Tractor doesn't mean one or the other. Sainsburys don't use Red Tractor, doesn't mean they sell their beef with horse does it?
Horsemeat scandal: Trial of firms accused of selling horse as beef opens in Paris
Millions of ready meals were withdrawn from sale after they were found to contain horse, not beef.
www.bbc.co.uk
In fact how much prepared and frozen food is Red Tractor labelled anyway? I can't think of much. Its like the bread scenario - no bread is RT labelled and only one beer company use it.
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So it's all based on luck now .....OK
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This is true.
But that doesn't mean anything much necessarily
Sure Red Tractor meat didn't have horse in it. But did any meat labelled as British have horse in it? (I can't remember now). I don't think any butchers sold meat with horse in it. In fact did any UK fresh meat (ie stuff that looked recognisably meat in the packet) have horse in it?
All it means is that the meat that had horse in it was generally the lowest value (ie cheap crap) meat anyway and was in the processed food, Red Tractor doesn't mean one or the other. Sainsburys don't use Red Tractor, doesn't mean they sell their beef with horse does it?
Horsemeat scandal: Trial of firms accused of selling horse as beef opens in Paris
Millions of ready meals were withdrawn from sale after they were found to contain horse, not beef.www.bbc.co.uk
In fact how much prepared and frozen food is Red Tractor labelled anyway? I can't think of much. Its like the bread scenario - no bread is RT labelled and only one beer company use it.
I've no idea on the British labelled part.
Given the horse meat came from Eastern europe in processed meats I would say not.
Issue is always with processed product's, cheap end of line.
No problem with eating horse, just label it as such.
Not sure what percentage of a product would have to be RT for it to be labelled as such.
Think I have seen product's labelled "made using RT beef/pork etc"
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Well they did yes, caught the same as all the retailers.
SilliamWhale
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The way the horse scandal appears to have unfolded is some rogue traders chucked horse into the food system. It largely went into the cheapest of beef burgers and processed food. I don't think it got near anything that was expressly labelled as British, or much in the way of fresh meat and that of course it meant that vicariously it didn't get to RT labelled meat either - because RT meat must be British to be RT, and British meat doesn't use horse anyway.
RT jumped on this as evidence of their traceability system but in reality its because the British fresh meat trade didn't use horse anyway. In the same way Butchers didn't really have horse for sale either.
I'd be interested to see how many processed meals use the RT logo nowadays.
SilliamWhale
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Driven no doubt by the retailers pressure for "cheap" Beef.
Maybe it was more difficult to use horse meat in UK processing facilities due to the audit trial being more strict on the back of RT? I don't know.
Don't eat processed meals so have no idea what so ever.
SilliamWhale
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I don't think it was RT related at all. The legally required audit trails in the UK are adequate until they are not. I don't think anything changed after horsemeat did it?
As I say independent butchers weren't caught up in it. It was a food processing issue largely nothing to do with the UK apart from importing some cheap meat for processing purposes. But it was Europe wide and the people responsible were tried
SilliamWhale
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If you were to buy a pork pie the meat has to be 100% RT and then it says "made with RT pork". The rest of it doesn't ie the crust.
That way Intertek get their income from the brand which is what it is all about. Its called having your cake and eating it.