Mixedupfarmer
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- Location
- Norfolk
Help keep phosphate out also.
ELMS co-design submissions.
- Thread starter delilah
- Start date
@Janet Hughes Defra
So. Co-design.
No-one can say that farmers haven't kept their side of the bargain. Thousands of thoughts and suggestions posted on here alone, plus whatever you have picked up via other mediums.
Please could you give us some examples of how this has influenced the decision making process. I don't mean the minutiae. The tweaking of payment rates. The shuffling of deckchairs.
Some examples of substantive change. Changes that will make a fundamental difference to farmer uptake. To public good. To value for money for the taxpayer.
Thanks.
So. Co-design.
No-one can say that farmers haven't kept their side of the bargain. Thousands of thoughts and suggestions posted on here alone, plus whatever you have picked up via other mediums.
Please could you give us some examples of how this has influenced the decision making process. I don't mean the minutiae. The tweaking of payment rates. The shuffling of deckchairs.
Some examples of substantive change. Changes that will make a fundamental difference to farmer uptake. To public good. To value for money for the taxpayer.
Thanks.
I live in hope...but no real anticipation, that SFI will be made into something that works. Whether DEFRA are taking a blind bit of notice of all the suggestions and ideas, I haven't a clue, but not seen anything as yet except lots of webinars and the like and promises of co-design.
When I see signs that the Tiers 2 and 3 have been defunded, then I will believe... that Farmers are being listened to, and the large land owning quangos have a lot less of the budget.
Ceri
Member
Liked that very very well saidt
Thanks, though tbh very disappointed that it didn't run. Everyone has been happy to spend countless hours bellyaching about ELMS, yet precious few have said what it actually needs to look like for their business.
Ceri
Member
Has everyone had the email off the rpa asking for feedback on the new SFI that's being launched this year.....??? Well I did it last night and explained to them that I will not engage as it's over complicated and at £22/ha is just not worth bothering with and that the whole new scheme as it stands will be an environmental disaster with lack of uptake & all the past environmental work done on schemes ending soon will be undone.....
I HOPE PEOPLE TAKE THE TIME TO FILL THIS OUT & LET THEM KNOW THEY DESPERATELY NEED A RETHINK....
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Did it. I said I am open to taking part but:
a) They must address the fairness and trust issue
b) It must pay better
c) It must be less prescriptive
I made the point strongly that I am unlikely to take part if the RPA are involved as they are simply incompetent (example given was repeated incorrect mapping changes following "remote viewing" requiring me to spend significant time getting each incorrect change reversed).
- Location
- North Somerset.
Sounds like your mate has a broken calculator and remarkable faith in the civil service. Suggest to him he has another go with pencil and paper together with a close look at the conduct of the RPA
How many acres do you need to be cropping to be able to justify running the two systems ?
Genuine question.
Presumably plenty of you received the email today inviting you to register to take part in the co-design of ELMS ?
It reads for all the world as if the SFI and LNR are new ideas and they want help in designing them. No mention of the fact that large chunks of the SFI are already written to go live in 3 weeks. All quite odd.
https://defragroup.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_ex5D4oiEL2mFidw
It reads for all the world as if the SFI and LNR are new ideas and they want help in designing them. No mention of the fact that large chunks of the SFI are already written to go live in 3 weeks. All quite odd.
https://defragroup.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_ex5D4oiEL2mFidw
Wolds Beef
Member
@Janet Hughes Defra Another thread and many more questions!! Could you not come on and answer them like you were doing before. We were all ears then and we are now. It was always very useful to get your incite into the schemes ect. On the flip we all hope you are ok as we know you were ill a few weeks ago. Look forward to hearing from you as soon as possible.
WB
WB
Bit weird, and as you say very late in the day...
I wonder what the motive is to be seen to be interacting now?
Hi there, sorry not to have been around, I'm back now and will be here a few times a week as normal (I was off with covid, then on holiday, then restricted because of the pre-election period - I'm sorry I didn't make that clear and left you wondering where I was). I'm just catching up and working through the messages I missed - will catch up this week and be here a few times a week as normal from now on
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Food for thought today from The Conversation: https://theconversation.com/farm-ve...han most dinosaurs heres why thats a problem
"The study estimates that 20% of croplands globally are at high risk of losing productivity because of subsoil compaction by modern agricultural vehicles, with the highest risks in Europe and North America where it’s relatively moist and there are more large farms using the largest machines. Clearly, this is an issue in arable landscapes, but the problem also extends to grasslands where silage is baled, and urban landscapes where the movement of construction vehicles on green space is not well controlled."
Maybe further intensification of farming is NOT the answer or even actually antithetical to delivering the "public goods"?
"The study estimates that 20% of croplands globally are at high risk of losing productivity because of subsoil compaction by modern agricultural vehicles, with the highest risks in Europe and North America where it’s relatively moist and there are more large farms using the largest machines. Clearly, this is an issue in arable landscapes, but the problem also extends to grasslands where silage is baled, and urban landscapes where the movement of construction vehicles on green space is not well controlled."
Maybe further intensification of farming is NOT the answer or even actually antithetical to delivering the "public goods"?
I can well believe the basic argument you quote here.
As will anyone who has seen 40+ tonnes of tractor and slurry tanker running around on grassland... quite often early in Spring on land still wet!
- Location
- Glen Clova, Angus, DD8 4RD
Plenty of digestate rigs go much heavier than that apparently
wanton dwarf
Member
Why cite something which "Estimates" there is a problem ?
Why not actually find out the problem - if it exists.
I'd also point out it is unlikely some farms suffer from compaction regardless. We subsoil every year all land. Far too much of this guess work and grandeous statements that have foundations in Bull Poo. Then we get policy founded on the same foundations.
Farmers farm, bureacrats don't farm. Can we please stop having the bureacrats pretending they know better ?