That’s that cleared up then.Apparently not. I’m just an egotistical b*stard
Performance recorded sheep.
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@Global ovine used to record several thousand Romney ewes singled handed (with his Mrs driving the truck). That was lambing outside, attending each birth site with the data logger and tagging at birth, presumably single sire mated.
Not sure what exactly you're wanting to know? Single sire mate, then have enough competent staff on hand at lambing to tag at birth. Tim Leeming (@Pardoo Prime) had a precision lambing system with mobs of 50ewes on 3ha paddocks which I think would assist massively.
Or use DNA, if your system can afford it. This would allow mob mating, which would also be a good test of ram functionality, fertility and libido.
M-J-G
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It depends how deep you wish to go, if you're only looking for sire verification and specific genes or defects then dam DNA isn't required
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As a hill producer that sells store, is recording going to benefit you?
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IIRC Wairere in NZ tag/record everything at birth, using lots of people on horseback with a datalogger each. Just needs enough (competent) staff and the recording kit I guess.
M-J-G
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Those selling the recording idea would suggest not, but in reality it does.
What's being suggested in this thread isn't more general data, it's more data specific to one farm, which isn't the same.
In order to offer a relevant index, the system requires that the good and the bad within a population be recorded.
Running a pure Nch Cheviot flock, I would like to be selling draft ewes at 4 crop which should leave good value in them, but keep a portion of the very best of them another year to breed tups from, using them before selling them as 2/3 shear.
These ewes would obviously still be A1 on their feet/udder/teeth and look the part, but with a lifetime of simple but accurate performance recording behind them you could be sure that you really were keeping the best of them.
Id love to be able to look at each of them and know exactly how many and what weight of lambs they had weaned each year. All I would need to do this would be a dna tag put in at marking and a weight taken at weaning, it would be a lot of extra info for next to zero extra effort
CopperBeech
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Yer you got me
@Global ovine used to record several thousand Romney ewes singled handed (with his Mrs driving the truck). That was lambing outside, attending each birth site with the data logger and tagging at birth, presumably single sire mated.
Not sure what exactly you're wanting to know? Single sire mate, then have enough competent staff on hand at lambing to tag at birth. Tim Leeming (@Pardoo Prime) had a precision lambing system with mobs of 50ewes on 3ha paddocks which I think would assist massively.
Or use DNA, if your system can afford it. This would allow mob mating, which would also be a good test of ram functionality, fertility and libido.
drank too much last night so feeling a bit tender I simply want to know who in the Uk is currently recording a large number of ewes, how many, what’s their system, how much labour etc. Hopefully found out by going to see them / speaking to them.
I’m interested in talking to folk who are doing what I want to / am going to do.
But I’m also curious as to whether some of it is possible / sensible.
I was hoping for a bit of a list of folk / farms recoding big numbers of ewes.
CopperBeech
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Aye that’s true. But they are having to go to more dna recording because they are struggling to get enough decent horse men / woman. That’s what they said anyway. Hoping to go out and see them in action.
pgk
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We weighed,recorded, bolus'd n weaned 450 lambs yesterday, psion packed up c50 lambs to go which we recorded manually. Also bagged and toothed ewes and recorded culls. 2 groups took 2 of us all day.Yer you got me
I simply want to know who in the Uk is currently recording a large number of ewes, how many, what’s their system, how much labour etc. Hopefully found out by going to see them / speaking to them.
I’m interested in talking to folk who are doing what I want to / am going to do.
But I’m also curious as to whether some of it is possible / sensible.
I was hoping for a bit of a list of folk / farms recoding big numbers of ewes.
But there is a level beyond which the increase in genetic gain/statistical analysis slows (i am told by the boffins)
The more the better because the more animals the wider the gene pool (as long as you use a diverse enough selection of sires every year)
From my experience it’s not what you do with the top 25% of your flock the improvements come from what you do with the bottom 25%-for us it’s putting them to a terminal sire-can’t afford to cull them all out but damn sure I don’t want their genetics going forward
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Innovis would surely be another, with their nucleus supposed to be 1000 ewes lambing outside?
Very secretive operation though, so likely as forthcoming with info on that as they are with their ebvs.
I would imagine they rely on having plenty of lambing staff and data loggers that can be synced (using Border Software iirc).
Very secretive operation though, so likely as forthcoming with info on that as they are with their ebvs.
I would imagine they rely on having plenty of lambing staff and data loggers that can be synced (using Border Software iirc).
CopperBeech
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They don’t like meInnovis would surely be another, with their nucleus supposed to be 1000 ewes lambing outside?
Very secretive operation though, so likely as forthcoming with info on that as they are with their ebvs.
I would imagine they rely on having plenty of lambing staff and data loggers that can be synced (using Border Software iirc).
so I doubt I’d get many answers from them.Can I ask why?They don’t like me
CopperBeech
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Why they don’t like me ?
Yeah how did you pee them off?
CopperBeech
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I was being slightly tongue in cheek.
But.... I didn’t sell them my sheep when they wanted them.
And whenever I go and try to speak to the innovis lot at a show I generally get met with a group of clean cut schoffel wearing lads who treat me with a fair element of suspicion
But if you saw me you’d see why to be fair.
Fair enough but people shouldn't judge a book by its cover says a topicalI was being slightly tongue in cheek.
But.... I didn’t sell them my sheep when they wanted them.
And whenever I go and try to speak to the innovis lot at a show I generally get met with a group of clean cut schoffel wearing lads who treat me with a fair element of suspicion
But if you saw me you’d see why to be fair.
check/rugby shirt, jeans,dealer boot wearing farmer's son
