Would I be mad to buy a Discovery 4

fieldfarmer · Jan 2, 2023

kiwi pom said:
Fair enough, just a shame a known unreliable brand that costs a fortune to buy and maintain is the only thing you find comfortable.

Might be cheaper to buy a Toyota and pay to have your back fixed

Did you read any of it? I do own a Toyota,.

hally · Jan 2, 2023

David. said:
I can drive 150 miles in D4 without any pain at all.
If I were to drive 40 miles in a Golf or a DMax I would be walking round like something out of The Hobbit, when I got there, something about the seating position that kills my hip.

Funny coz my dmax did exactly the same to my hip, cheap seats.

Mark C · Jan 4, 2023

Sandy said:
In what way?

I went from a late D4 to a 2020 D5. Absolutely loved my D4. I'm 6ft4 and have a bad back. Drove my D4 to Naples and back on holiday and never felt stiff or sore. One day I did 1000km only stopping for comfort breaks. Brilliant car.
For a tall person the D5 is much roomier in the front for leg room. Feels a little less headroom but you get used to it. The only thing i miss about the D4 is the tallgate and there is more adjustment on the front seat armrests. Silly little thing but it's what you get used to. My D5 is a commercial and has 33k miles on it. Coming up 3 years old in March. Can't make up my mind whether to keep it or chop it in. Depends in the deal, .extending the warrently and putting tyres/ brake pads on it in the near future. Only problem is the 9-12 month wait!

Aspiring Peasants · Jan 4, 2023

Had 9 landrovers over the years. Disco 4 is last one, £13,000 in repairs over 2 years(fortunately under warranty). Gone now, thought about a Disco Sport but for same money as a 2/3 year old one got a brand new top spec Kuga, very pleased with it. Landrover have reduced the used car warranty from 2 years to 1 year, must have been costing them too much!

Paddington · Jan 4, 2023

Asking people who run a D4 are they happy with the car, the general consensus is yes, bags of room, performance, comfortable etc. How much have they spent on repairs ? Don't know, it's a company car or it's under warranty"been in a few times, but LR sorted it". Would you buy a used one without warranty ? Definitely not !

feilding · Jan 4, 2023

Mark C said:
I went from a late D4 to a 2020 D5. Absolutely loved my D4. I'm 6ft4 and have a bad back. Drove my D4 to Naples and back on holiday and never felt stiff or sore. One day I did 1000km only stopping for comfort breaks. Brilliant car.
For a tall person the D5 is much roomier in the front for leg room. Feels a little less headroom but you get used to it. The only thing i miss about the D4 is the tallgate and there is more adjustment on the front seat armrests. Silly little thing but it's what you get used to. My D5 is a commercial and has 33k miles on it. Coming up 3 years old in March. Can't make up my mind whether to keep it or chop it in. Depends in the deal, .extending the warrently and putting tyres/ brake pads on it in the near future. Only problem is the 9-12 month wait!

Am I reading this right, the D5 has 33k miles and needs tyres and brake pads. ??.
wow, that's low miles to need those.

ollie989898 · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
Am I reading this right, the D5 has 33k miles and needs tyres and brake pads. ??.
wow, that's low miles to need those.

Regular road biased rubber will not stick extended wear from powerful and heavy vehicles. Seen it before, particularly from 'spirited' driving- a lot of cars wear front rubber in particular for fun. Different game for off-roader tyres which of course have more meat on them to begin with.

David. · Jan 4, 2023

Am I correct in thinking that a D5 is a completely different beast to a D4?
I thought I remembered that they were more like the budget built RR Sport?

feilding · Jan 4, 2023

ollie989898 said:
Regular road biased rubber will not stick extended wear from powerful and heavy vehicles. Seen it before, particularly from 'spirited' driving- a lot of cars wear front rubber in particular for fun. Different game for off-roader tyres which of course have more meat on them to begin with.

I'll stick with my D2s then, tyres every 70-80 k. brake pads every 100-120 k. just had new pads on the rear of my auto D2. The first replacement since new, it's a 2001 model I got new.

ollie989898 · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
I'll stick with my D2s then, tyres every 70-80 k. brake pads every 100-120 k. just had new pads on the rear of my auto D2. The first replacement since new, it's a 2001 model I got new.

Is your D2 an automatic and carrying a fudging great twin turbo V6 in the front with basically a two part chassis? These things weigh a heck of a lot, too.

hally · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
Am I reading this right, the D5 has 33k miles and needs tyres and brake pads. ??.
wow, that's low miles to need those.

Our D5 needed front pads and discs at similar mileage ( so the dealer said), wanted £800

Got them done local garage less than half that and genuine parts.

feilding · Jan 4, 2023

Most main dealers seem to do the scam of telling customer their vehicle needs discs and pads just to up the bill. I've caught dealers out when friends have called me for advice, every time vehicle did not need brakes replaced, dealers also lost another customer because of it. That's why I will never let a main dealer touch my vehicles ever. I've caught Honda , Ford, Renault, land Rover, Volkswagen main dealers All trying to rip off customers. I find a local garage's are a lot more honest and do a better job.

ollie989898 · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
Most main dealers seem to do the scam of telling customer their vehicle needs discs and pads just to up the bill. I've caught dealers out when friends have called me for advice, every time vehicle did not need brakes replaced, dealers also lost another customer because of it. That's why I will never let a main dealer touch my vehicles ever. I've caught Honda , Ford, Renault, land Rover, Volkswagen main dealers All trying to rip off customers. I find a local garage's are a lot more honest and do a better job.

Good independent who know the brand (and does the manufacturer training and updates, more importantly) and you're good to go.

The garage we use are fanatics about the brand and we rely on them to tell us when X is looking tired and needs replacing etc.

Tommy · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
Most main dealers seem to do the scam of telling customer their vehicle needs discs and pads just to up the bill. I've caught dealers out when friends have called me for advice, every time vehicle did not need brakes replaced, dealers also lost another customer because of it. That's why I will never let a main dealer touch my vehicles ever. I've caught Honda , Ford, Renault, land Rover, Volkswagen main dealers All trying to rip off customers. I find a local garage's are a lot more honest and do a better job.

Had the same when my BMW had to go to the dealers to have some part of the wiring checked.. When I picked it up the girl behind the desk said while it was on the lift they had a good look round and found a few things to sort and had done a quote for the work. I looked at it and it came to more than the car was worth so I asked her if the car would get me home with a list so long. It did, and when I showed the quote to my garage it was screwed into a ball and thrown into the bin

Two Tone · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
Most main dealers seem to do the scam of telling customer their vehicle needs discs and pads just to up the bill. I've caught dealers out when friends have called me for advice, every time vehicle did not need brakes replaced, dealers also lost another customer because of it. That's why I will never let a main dealer touch my vehicles ever. I've caught Honda , Ford, Renault, land Rover, Volkswagen main dealers All trying to rip off customers. I find a local garage's are a lot more honest and do a better job.

ollie989898 said:
Good independent who know the brand (and does the manufacturer training and updates, more importantly) and you're good to go. The garage we use are fanatics about the brand and we rely on them to tell us when X is looking tired and needs replacing etc.

Not only is it better to use a good Indy, but some are a lot better than others insofar that certain Indies are getting far too cocky and lifting a lot of legs.

Just priced up getting the inlet manifolds done on my 2010 RRS. It’s a long job because there is a lot of stuff to move out of the way to get to them (one each side).
My usual 4x4 Indy would do it, but says he’s only done it once before and would rather I send it to a more specialist specific LR Indy rather that him struggle to do it, which is fair enough.
Closest LR Indy already muttering about having to lift the body off and that is going to be expensive enough in itself.

The LR indy my 4x4 indy prefers, will do it without taking the body off and for a lot less than I was expecting.
Used them once before and they really know what they are doing.
If you mention the word ‘Mitsubishi’ to them, they think you are referring to a Japanese fighter plane!

So well done James French, you’ve got the job.
‘Zero’ quibble!

Cowabunga · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
Am I reading this right, the D5 has 33k miles and needs tyres and brake pads. ??.
wow, that's low miles to need those.

Really? I seldom get more than that from tyres but brake pads vary these days from 30k to 40k miles depending on the vehicle. Back in the day I used to go through front tyres every 10,000 miles or so on front wheel drive cars and the Audi Q7 would chew through premium tyres every 12,000 miles, driven in the same style as my previous Range Rover which did 35,000 on its first set.
So, basically, it varies greatly between vehicles as much as from driving style and terrain.

Cowabunga · Jan 4, 2023

feilding said:
Most main dealers seem to do the scam of telling customer their vehicle needs discs and pads just to up the bill. I've caught dealers out when friends have called me for advice, every time vehicle did not need brakes replaced, dealers also lost another customer because of it. That's why I will never let a main dealer touch my vehicles ever. I've caught Honda , Ford, Renault, land Rover, Volkswagen main dealers All trying to rip off customers. I find a local garage's are a lot more honest and do a better job.

Yes they do, you are correct. They try their best to increase the advertised service invoice price by padding it with usually unnecessary service parts. My Audi dealer was very bad at it. Even my local Volvo dealer tried it on by attempting to persuade me that it needed rear discs.

Having said that, it is true that discs do not last like they used to. They are made of softer metal that wears and rusts faster than older ones. This is to increase braking performance and decrease noise while allowing a softer transition to a complete stop in that last second of braking apparently.

ollie989898 · Jan 4, 2023

Cowabunga said:
Yes they do, you are correct. They try their best to increase the advertised service invoice price by padding it with usually unnecessary service parts. My Audi dealer was very bad at it. Even my local Volvo dealer tried it on by attempting to persuade me that it needed rear discs.

Having said that, it is true that discs do not last like they used to. They are made of softer metal that wears and rusts faster than older ones. This is to increase braking performance and decrease noise while allowing a softer transition to a complete stop in that last second of braking apparently.

Did brake pads not once contain asbestos compounds? This may explain the loss of disc life and the rusting?

Cowabunga · Jan 4, 2023

ollie989898 said:
Did brake pads not once contain asbestos compounds? This may explain the loss of disc life and the rusting?

You’re going back to the 1970’s with that. Yes they did and it is possible that the softer brake disks are indeed to accommodate better and longer life performance from asbestos free pads. One thing is for certain, brakes today on most classes of cars are far and away superior to brakes from even the 1980’s much less the 1970’s. Both in dissipating heat and prolonged performance.

ridger · Jan 6, 2023

What engine is in the ugly looking range rover that lies away down at the back, one seized locally today I think its less than 3 years old from memory

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