Livestock farmers unite, we have a PROBLEM!!!!

Courier · Mar 6, 2023

It’s not just livestock which emit methane

‘We don’t feel safe’: US community in shock after record methane leak

A billion cubic feet of the potent greenhouse gas were spewed into atmosphere in rural Pennsylvania amid state’s fracking boom

www.theguardian.com

Hilly · Mar 6, 2023

J 1177 said:
Because people have to live, jesus what a comment. I suppose youd bring back the workhouse?

Work house would be to good for some folk .

digger64 · Mar 6, 2023

Bossfarmer said:
id like to pay staff £3/hr but i cant, why? because the government sets a minimum wage, this is effectively a sub paid for by taxpaying businesses

how on earth do you conclude that ?

digger64 · Mar 6, 2023

Humble Village Farmer said:
As farmers we are all in the same boat, but somehow the idea that food must be cheap has taken hold. That has to change if we are ever to prosper without taxpayer handouts.

I know we can't pass our costs on easily; everyone else seems to though don't they? Producers should be the most valued sector of the food economy.

Partly to do with this countries obsession with high property prices and indirect taxation/allowances in relation to disposable income/ % of earnings - to effectively buy votes by delusion .

farmerm · Mar 6, 2023

Ceri said:
How would u go about finding out if she’s vegan….?

A proper vegan tells everyone at every possible opportunity....

Wood field · Mar 6, 2023

farmerm · Mar 6, 2023

Johnnyboxer said:
That’s very true and a great example
Adding value to ‘your commodity’ is where it’s at, in future if farming is to prosper

Should it be? If your specialty is not farming but adding value to a commodity would it not be better business to quick farming and just buy in the commodity? There will always be someone how can produce milk/grain/fruit/meat for less than you can!

britishblue · Mar 6, 2023

I remember decades ago a local farmer who took over a butchers shop in town through which he was going to sell his cattle. Within a year he had no cattle on the farm but the butchers shop was still going strong!

Hilly · Mar 6, 2023

britishblue said:
I remember decades ago a local farmer who took over a butchers shop in town through which he was going to sell his cattle. Within a year he had no cattle on the farm but the butchers shop was still going strong!

Who was that ?

Bossfarmer · Mar 6, 2023

J 1177 said:
Because people have to live, jesus what a comment. I suppose youd bring back the workhouse?

The taxpayer GETS a minimum wage, is it appreciated enough though? Not the case in every country

Bossfarmer · Mar 6, 2023

Humble Village Farmer said:
As farmers we are all in the same boat, but somehow the idea that food must be cheap has taken hold. That has to change if we are ever to prosper without taxpayer handouts.

I know we can't pass our costs on easily; everyone else seems to though don't they? Producers should be the most valued sector of the food economy.

Yes they should be but they never will be which is why subsidies are an essential part of the equation, keeps producers in business and keeps food affordable i dont get what the big issue is its a clever system, the taxpayer would have to pay more without them so is it really a handout? Its all a matter of perspective

ajd132 · Mar 6, 2023

Bossfarmer said:
why should they get a guaranteed minimum wage? this is whats driving inflation, farmers should get a guaranteed cost of production price as a minimum, no subs would be needed then

Jesus

Bossfarmer · Mar 6, 2023

Ill clear this issue up of not worrying about having vegans making our ag policy as some just dont seem to get it and think all policy makers are like a jury in court who have sworen some sort of oath...

IF i were a vegan and i were making the policies id favour arable farms over those producing meat to be slaughtered, if i didnt then i wouldnt be a very good vegan and id be going against my own beliefs and add to the suffering and unnecessary deaths of innocent animals all over england, in short i wouldnt be a very good vegan

Now....can anyone spot the conflict of interest ive been banging on about yet???

The Seeker · Mar 6, 2023

As I read all the treads going on and in on tff , the one thing sticking in my mind …, people however rich or poor can’t eat money …. Only food.

spin cycle · Mar 6, 2023

Wood field said:
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she's to fat to be a vegan

Henarar · Mar 6, 2023

ajd132 said:
Jesus

You really think he is ?

gone up the hill · Mar 6, 2023

Bossfarmer said:
id like to pay staff £3/hr but i cant, why? because the government sets a minimum wage, this is effectively a sub paid for by taxpaying businesses

Do you really think people could live on £3 an hour??

Wage increases are NOT driving inflation, that is just this tosser of a Govs spin to try and deflect attention away from the real reasons inflation has been out of control the last year or so!

And you cannot argue that your staff should only earn £3 an hour yet you need tens of thousands of taxpayers money to cover the costs of producing food!

digger64 · Mar 6, 2023

Bossfarmer said:
Ill clear this issue up of not worrying about having vegans making our ag policy as some just dont seem to get it and think all policy makers are like a jury in court who have sworen some sort of oath...

IF i were a vegan and i were making the policies id favour arable farms over those producing meat to be slaughtered, if i didnt then i wouldnt be a very good vegan and id be going against my own beliefs and add to the suffering and unnecessary deaths of innocent animals all over england, in short i wouldnt be a very good vegan

Now....can anyone spot the conflict of interest ive been banging on about yet???

The reality is with the new system is its area/ income forgone based .
Landowners -they were not getting the income anyway nor will have to jump through the hoops and arable farmers will be able to work this scenario better than livestock farmers as the forgone bit means just leaving the machines etc in the shed to achieve a similar result financially in theory , for a stock farmer the crop not grown has to replaced/bought somehow or the cows have to be housed rather than running on that poor rough bit all winter , the 30 acres of barley and straw now has to hauled in great distances /fuel contract/labour bills and bought and the muck and slurry is a bigger problem as to where to put it , more grass keep or maize land will be needed - income forgone won't cover this to stay in the same place .
There is nothing new about this effect on different types of farm regardless of vegans .
Headage , production based or no sub at all would be fairer .

Raider112 · Mar 6, 2023

gone up the hill said:
Do you really think people could live on £3 an hour??

Wage increases are NOT driving inflation, that is just this tosser of a Govs spin to try and deflect attention away from the real reasons inflation has been out of control the last year or so!

And you cannot argue that your staff should only earn £3 an hour yet you need tens of thousands of taxpayers money to cover the costs of producing food!

I don't think it's to be taken literally, I'd like to sell my cattle for £10,000 each but that doesn't mean I think it's feasible.

Bossfarmer · Mar 6, 2023

gone up the hill said:
Do you really think people could live on £3 an hour??

Wage increases are NOT driving inflation, that is just this tosser of a Govs spin to try and deflect attention away from the real reasons inflation has been out of control the last year or so!

And you cannot argue that your staff should only earn £3 an hour yet you need tens of thousands of taxpayers money to cover the costs of producing food!

It was sarcasm i understand in todays world this isnt enough

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