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Sid · Mar 24, 2023

Bury the Trash said:

Some people would pay good money for that!

Andrew_Ni said:
TB! Couldn’t pay me to drink raw milk.

Why not? Cows tested to within an inch of their life?

Andrew_Ni said:
I visited a dairy farm in south dakota back in August. Had their robot shed going about a year. 1800 cows through 20 robots. 2 people on a 12hr shift managing the place. They didn’t treat, breed or feed or really need to touch a cow. Just ensured robots were operating to their potential. 6000 cows in total. The herd staff managed the cows.

How many staff? The farm @Clive visited only had 3 ,not even full time, for 300 cows and 1000 acres.

Many of these "efficient " farms, only do the basics, all the fencing, maintenance, servicing etc is all bought in.

BuskhillFarm · Mar 24, 2023

With all the ai to do the work will leave people with low incomes and boredom. Boredom in a well educated population and little income sounds like a great receipe or the matrix or terminator.

I always wondered what happened the great powers and how they’d fell, Greek and Roman empires. Watching how the Western empire falls at the minute, I think our peak was up until 2007.

Also seeing how the difference in Starmer and Sunaks wages are is another eye opener.

Whitewalker · Mar 24, 2023

BuskhillFarm said:
With all the ai to do the work will leave people with low incomes and boredom. Boredom in a well educated population and little income sounds like a great receipe or the matrix or terminator.

I always wondered what happened the great powers and how they’d fell, Greek and Roman empires. Watching how the Western empire falls at the minute, I think our peak was up until 2007.

Also seeing how the difference in Starmer and Sunaks wages are is another eye opener.

The ceo at the top probably looks on all the employees as robots too so essentially it is run by robots completely

BuskhillFarm · Mar 24, 2023

Whitewalker said:
The ceo at the top probably looks on all the employees as robots too so essentially it is run by robots completely

It’s what makes me sad about farming here. The small family farms all getting eaten up by dairy’s. It’s hard to be able to rent land around here for them. Be better with many 200 acre farms as to a few 2000 ace farms

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

Sid said:
Some people would pay good money for that!

Why not? Cows tested to within an inch of their life?

How many staff? The farm @Clive visited only had 3 ,not even full time, for 300 cows and 1000 acres.

Many of these "efficient " farms, only do the basics, all the fencing, maintenance, servicing etc is all bought in.

again…….. it had one man on the cows (the farm owner) , not even full time

his wife and son had full time jobs off farm, they took a week holiday to help with harvesting on the 1000ac arable - his son was a truck mechanic and his wife worked in admin at the local elevator. He also ran a farm shop (honestly box) for dairy products he made

he seemed to have plenty time to show groups of farmers around and have a long lunch with us

seemed like a lot less work / staff than the 150 cow dairy farm i grew up on ! although I’m sure it’s still very highly skilled

Andrew_Ni · Mar 24, 2023

Whitewalker said:
A ream of people doing 12 hr shifts on the robots, the vets , Ai staff , calvers , feeders , drafters , mechanics, maintenance,the office staff , then where does the feed come from ? The hauliers, the contractors the list is endless .

In total I think there is around 60 full time staff. Already has plans to build another 4500 cow dairy milked through 50 robots. All replacements contract reared 600 miles away. So it’s milkers, dry cows and close up heifers on site.

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

BuskhillFarm said:
It’s what makes me sad about farming here. The small family farms all getting eaten up by dairy’s. It’s hard to be able to rent land around here for them. Be better with many 200 acre farms as to a few 2000 ace farms

dairy farms around here all got eaten up by arable, including our own

Hilly · Mar 24, 2023

Clive said:
dairy farms around here all got eaten up by arable

You better have eyes in the back of your head as they are making a big come back …. Big come back !

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

DrWazzock said:
There’s a recently joined “member” who I think is an AI construct, not a human being. I won’t name names as I don’t want to cause offence if that member isn’t a bot.

be interested to know who you think it might be ?

we have been experimenting with nature language AI to see how it can fit in with agricultural knowledge exchange in the future maybe

pm me if you would rather not risk insulting a actual human !

BuskhillFarm · Mar 24, 2023

Clive said:
dairy farms around here all got eaten up by arable

It’s funny the different parts of the uk. There’s about 2 decent sized arable farms around here. Rest of arable is mostly Dairy farmed growing some recreactional cultivating for straw for their cows.
Lots of small hobby farms left, with beef or sheep. But all big ones are dairy with a few small to medium beef left.
Ironic with the TB around here

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

Hilly said:
You better have eyes in the back of your head as they are making a big come back …. Big come back !

if it pays they are welcome, livestock would do soils and lot of good

BuskhillFarm · Mar 24, 2023

Clive said:
be interested to know who you think it might be ?

we have been experimenting with nature language AI to see how it can fit in with agricultural knowledge exchange in the future maybe

pm me if you would rather not risk insulting a actual human !

Ah come on now @Clive using robots to bump forum views!

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

BuskhillFarm said:
Ah come on now @Clive using robots to bump forum views!

not what we are doing ! ……. you wouldn’t even need AI for that, just a simple script

i think in the future AI will be able to read and summarise a long thread or work out the best answer for the op based in collective crowd wisdom etc

in fact that is 100% possible right now

BuskhillFarm · Mar 24, 2023

Clive said:
not what we are doing ! ……. you wouldn’t even need AI for that, just a simple script

i think in the future AI will be able to read and summarise a long thread or work out the best answer for the op based in collective crowd wisdom etc

in fact that is 100% possible right now

It would do a better job than most people!! Given the tangent this thread has got to!!

Whitewalker · Mar 24, 2023

Clive said:
not what we are doing ! ……. you wouldn’t even need AI for that, just a simple script

i think in the future AI will be able to read and summarise a long thread or work out the best answer for the op based in collective crowd wisdom etc

in fact that is 100% possible right now

Will ‘real’ people contribute to a thread if nobody has to read the buggering thing to debate it .

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

wanton dwarf said:
I suggest you read this statement over a few times.

It is significantly incorrect.

The only reference to Smart is the ability for the AI to do a database search - which has been available for over 30 years.

If you fed the AI with nonsense - which a lot of the Internet is - the AI wouldn't know any difference. Because it's just data. It has no idea what that data is or means.

It's just a set of patterns - which is how it will approach language and indeed painting - which is why you see deformed hands, teeth and legs in AI pictures. It has no intelligence other than what a programmer has put in.

lets agree to disagree on this, its a subject i’ve read a lot on

you are not understanding what AI is at all - understandable as mankind has never seen anything like it before. ……. that wasn’t actually “alive”

Clive · Mar 24, 2023

Whitewalker said:
Will ‘real’ people contribute to a thread if nobody has to read the buggering thing to debate it .

who knows ! it could be the end of forums …… and even google !

people will always need to interact with other people though so i wouldn’t worry too much. I see it as a tool that will help us all and not replace us

if i was an agronomist i would be re training right now mind you !

jondear · Mar 24, 2023

Still Farming said:
Walled gardens etc etc not stupid then.

Growing peaches and grapes 100 years ago

jondear · Mar 24, 2023

Paddington said:
Thought this thread was about Felicity Kendal.

She was hot in a rural sort of way

Andrew_Ni · Mar 24, 2023

Sid said:
Why not? Cows tested to within an inch of their life?

Too many false negatives. Just because a cow doesn’t react with a lump doesn’t mean she is free of tb. There’s been cases of cows being tested for years and never reacting to the standard skin test but are in fact riddled with it and so act as a persistent infector for the rest of the herd.

Sid said:
How many staff? The farm @Clive visited only had 3 ,not even full time, for 300 cows and 1000 acres.

Many of these "efficient " farms, only do the basics, all the fencing, maintenance, servicing etc is all bought in.

It was in America. All feed purchased from neighbours. Slurry and silage contracted. No fences needed. Heifers contract reared 600 miles away. I think around 60 full time staff.

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