AB15 2 year legume

SamB · May 7, 2023

Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done

E_B · May 9, 2023

It says in the guidance 'do not conserve for forage' so I assume everything has to be left in the field? Makes it an unattractive option.

Flat 10 · Jun 2, 2023

SamB said:
Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done

Ask in the other ab15 thread in the subsidies section. I was under the impression you could destroy it however you wanted

Zippy768 · Jun 3, 2023

Few flowers appearing now. I assume its stuff that should be growing

Not been topped yet, will see the topper this week to knock down any grasses.

Zippy768 · Jun 3, 2023

How quickly will it all start to flower again After topping? How low do people top

Flat 10 · Jun 3, 2023

Zippy768 said:
How quickly will it all start to flower again After topping? How low do people top

Mine hasn’t been given the chance to flower due to my need to keep topping the BG. I have found that only the clover really comes back….

Clive · Jun 3, 2023

Flat 10 said:
Mine hasn’t been given the chance to flower due to my need to keep topping the BG. I have found that only the clover really comes back….

in yr 2 how do you do that with the nay 15th cut off ?

been considering an areas of this but i think it will lead to rye grass and broome hell here

ab6 / summer cover crop looks a better bet as a osr replacement ?

Huno · Jun 3, 2023

Clive said:
in yr 2 how do you do that with the nay 15th cut off ?

been considering an areas of this but i think it will lead to rye grass and broome hell here

ab6 / summer cover crop looks a better bet as a osr replacement ?

It does indeed lead to brome,ryegrass and blackgrass hell in yr 2...just don't do it in a winter arable rotation. kill it after yr 2.. cover crop it and grow a late crop like maize is about all that is effective after 6yrs worth of rotation IMHO..

Huno · Jun 3, 2023

Huno said:
It does indeed lead to brome,ryegrass and blackgrass hell in yr 2...just don't do it in a winter arable rotation. kill it after yr 2.. cover crop it and grow a late crop like maize is about all that is effective after 6yrs worth of rotation IMHO..

Glad to see SFI and CS have included that bit into income foregone!!

Huno · Jun 3, 2023

Do Agreena issue carbon credits on AB15 @Clive ? A mate told me today that they don't anymore and he seemed really cross , like he had been ripped off for doing the right thing? It all seems very dodgy??

Huno · Jun 3, 2023

Best plan looks like baling up AB15 after yr 2 and selling it to Drax power station as fuel? That seems the most logical output and avoids all the weeds and solves the carbon credit and sustainability nonsense. we are near to Drax which keeps the diesil miles down aswell.. win win

Huno · Jun 3, 2023

Zippy768 said:
Few flowers appearing now. I assume its stuff that should be growing

Not been topped yet, will see the topper this week to knock down any grasses.

i would leave that and chop down after flowering... fantastic stand of thick vetch there! enjoy the massive bee arrival when they come... knock a few grass patches out of course...

Huno · Jun 3, 2023

Clive said:
in yr 2 how do you do that with the nay 15th cut off ?

been considering an areas of this but i think it will lead to rye grass and broome hell here

ab6 / summer cover crop looks a better bet as a osr replacement ?

why OSR replacement?? no one getting rich from Oil anymore??

Flat 10 · Jun 3, 2023

Clive said:
in yr 2 how do you do that with the nay 15th cut off ?

been considering an areas of this but i think it will lead to rye grass and broome hell here

ab6 / summer cover crop looks a better bet as a osr replacement ?

Not got to year 2 yet......
I'm hoping we will have killed the BG and the clover will stop anymore from growing/its all germinated.
There's a lot of hoping. I think it might work but huno is filling me with pessimism and its not half as good as Zippys currently.

Zippy768 · Jun 3, 2023

Rest assured @Flat 10 I took a pictures of the better areas

Huno · Jun 3, 2023

Flat 10 said:
Not got to year 2 yet......
I'm hoping we will have killed the BG and the clover will stop anymore from growing/its all germinated.
There's a lot of hoping. I think it might work but huno is filling me with pessimism and its not half as good as Zippys currently.

sorry @Flat 10 i am sure you will find a clever way of managing it within the rules and will let us all know

yellow belly · Jun 3, 2023

SamB said:
Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done

Use a front mounted topper to avoid wheel Tracks

Flat 10 · Jun 3, 2023

Huno said:
sorry @Flat 10 i am sure you will find a clever way of managing it within the rules and will let us all know

Unlikely

Clive · Jun 3, 2023

Huno said:
Do Agreena issue carbon credits on AB15 @Clive ? A mate told me today that they don't anymore and he seemed really cross , like he had been ripped off for doing the right thing? It all seems very dodgy??

I don't know as I have no ab15 !

can see no reason why they wouldn't however and why it wouldn't be be pretty valuable ha as nearly no inputs

lloyd · Jun 3, 2023

Ab 15 seed isn't exactly cheap it's
certainly not all profit.

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