Sheet your load.......

ollie989898 · Dec 22, 2023

roscoe erf said:
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Stopped by #CVU. Plant hire operator using a tractor to return, off hire plant. Reported to Traffic Commissioner. No tachograph installed, cutting corners on tax, drivers wages, tachograph regulations, storage, maintenance costs and financial standing.

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That would never have happened before Brexit.

As an aside, if those bits of gear were off to dig in land drains for example, would that still be classed as agricultural work and be ok?

Tim G · Dec 22, 2023

roscoe erf said:
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Stopped by #CVU. Plant hire operator using a tractor to return, off hire plant. Reported to Traffic Commissioner. No tachograph installed, cutting corners on tax, drivers wages, tachograph regulations, storage, maintenance costs and financial standing.

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No mention of the shoddy chaining though?

CPF · Dec 22, 2023

Tim G said:
No mention of the shoddy chaining though?

Please explain why.

Tim G · Dec 22, 2023

CPF said:
Please explain why.

Assuming the other side is a mirror image of the side we can see, then it's two pairs of chains short for a start.

suffolksmallholder · Dec 22, 2023

Tim G said:
Assuming the other side is a mirror image of the side we can see, then it's two pairs of chains short for a start.

Shouldn’t there be a pair going in the opposite direction on each piece of plant?
SS

Simon Chiles · Dec 22, 2023

ollie989898 said:
As an aside, if those bits of gear were off to dig in land drains for example, would that still be classed as agricultural work and be ok?

Probably not as more than likely the tractor is just being used for haulage. It would only be acceptable to transport them with a tractor if a) the tractor was also part of the drainage operation on agricultural land or b) you were transporting the digger and dumper to your farm or a farm you did regular agricultural work on to do land drainage.

Simon Chiles · Dec 22, 2023

Tim G said:
Assuming the other side is a mirror image of the side we can see, then it's two pairs of chains short for a start.

Whilst I would tend to agree with what you’ve said I think that without actually seeing how the load was chained on it’s difficult to say definitely from the photo.

Simon Chiles · Dec 22, 2023

suffolksmallholder said:
Shouldn’t there be a pair going in the opposite direction on each piece of plant?
SS

Yes. However the Dumper in the photo is hard up against the headboard and it might not always be necessary to chain it to stop it moving forward as it probably couldn’t go forward when braking. I would think it very much depended on the design strength of the headboard. Personally I’d chain it anyway just to be sure.

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grainboy · Dec 22, 2023

Not secure in the event of an overturn, or collision, !!
Was told someone got reprimanded for a strap box, with two straps over it wasn’t secure in the event of an overturn ,
Total boll ocks I agree,

Simon Chiles · Dec 22, 2023

grainboy said:
Not secure in the event of an overturn, or collision, !!
Was told someone got reprimanded for a strap box, with two straps over it wasn’t secure in the event of an overturn ,
Total boll ocks I agree,

If you look at the video in the link I posted above the official recommendation states the load should be secured enough to stop 100% of the load from moving forward and 50% of the load either sideways or rearward. You can use headboards if they’re strong enough and you can use the friction between the load and bed. In that video it doesn’t anywhere mention an overturn and I’ve never heard of it before either. I’ve had a C+E license since 1984 although to be fair I don’t use it regularly for work.

Renaultman · Dec 22, 2023

Simon Chiles said:
If you look at the video in the link I posted above the official recommendation states the load should be secured enough to stop 100% of the load from moving forward and 50% of the load either sideways or rearward. You can use headboards if they’re strong enough and you can use the friction between the load and bed. In that video it doesn’t anywhere mention an overturn and I’ve never heard of it before either. I’ve had a C+E license since 1984 although to be fair I don’t use it regularly for work.

The roll over thing is a fairly recent interpretation of road laws IMHO

grainboy · Dec 22, 2023

C+E license here as well,
I wouldn’t be happy with that load,
What if rams fail on blade,
Always work on

‘What if’

Moors Lad · Dec 22, 2023

roscoe erf said:
Stopped by #CVU. Plant hire operator using a tractor to return, off hire plant. Reported to Traffic Commissioner. No tachograph installed, cutting corners on tax, drivers wages, tachograph regulations, storage, maintenance costs and financial standing.

Can`t comment at all as I know nothing BUT sounds potentially serious. The "victim" would be well advised to make 100% certain the pigs are right on every count - sometimes one can be put in a worrying position by a jumped-up jobsworth who THINKS they know it all ! Worth checking!!

Simon Chiles · Dec 22, 2023

grainboy said:
C+E license here as well,
I wouldn’t be happy with that load,
What if rams fail on blade,
Always work on

‘What if’

From the photo I’d tend to agree with you about that load and on the face value of the photo I wouldn’t be happy with it either. However, as I said above, I’d really like to see it in person before commenting definitively on it.

tractorsandcows · Dec 22, 2023

grainboy said:
C+E license here as well,
I wouldn’t be happy with that load,
What if rams fail on blade,
Always work on

‘What if’

Work enough on "what if " and you will become so paralysed by fear you will do nothing
People like you suffer from an over developed perception of hazard an an under developed ability to assess risk

kiwi pom · Dec 23, 2023

ollie989898 said:
That would never have happened before Brexit.

As an aside, if those bits of gear were off to dig in land drains for example, would that still be classed as agricultural work and be ok?

I think the point is the plant hire company is using a tractor to pick up and drop off their equipment to customers, what they are used for is irrelevant.

Might have misunderstood though.

Magnus Oyke · Dec 23, 2023

I'll not comment on the rights and wrongs of the load, but it's interesting that driver who is quite likely to be on a modest wage and is at the coal face is subject to the full force of the law at all times, yet the higher up the food chain you go, the less likely you get prosecuted and if you do, it's less severe relative to your income and responsibility

Nearly · Dec 23, 2023

One to get discussion going.

Poor photo taken by front seat passenger., obviously.

Fendt516profi · Dec 23, 2023

Nearly said:
One to get discussion going.
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Photo taken by front seat passenger., obviously.

Your driving on the wrong side of the road

Fendt516profi · Dec 23, 2023

Or maybe your in the left hand drive discovery today

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