Strawgalore
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- South Cumbria
I'd sooner stand under one I'd made myself than one off the shelf, with that said what is anyone doing stood under a bag ??
Bag lifter steel thickness
- Thread starter DieselRob
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- Bury St Edmunds
On your head be it!
Dave W
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- chesterfield
This idea of making your own is a strange one.
At the end of the day it will be made by a man in a workshop with a welder wether it’s a farm workshop or manufacturer workshop doesn’t matter.
It’s a piece of lifting equipment so should be tested regardless of who made it. Don’t see the issue if it’s done properly.
At the end of the day it will be made by a man in a workshop with a welder wether it’s a farm workshop or manufacturer workshop doesn’t matter.
It’s a piece of lifting equipment so should be tested regardless of who made it. Don’t see the issue if it’s done properly.
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- Huntingdon, UK
New items such as bag lifters come under the EC Machinery directive, which means they should be fitted with a CE mark.
This is a self certification process based around a risk assessment. Basically the manufacturer should design the machine with a factor of safety built in, carry out structural calculations to ensure it is strong enough in areas that matter - i.e. check the lifting arms won't bend, the brackets won't shear off etc. The first machine should then be tested to ensure those calcs were correct.
There is no requirement to have it tested by an external authority.
Under the LOLER regulations every piece of lifting equipment must be inspected before first use and annually thereafter. HOWEVER, CE marked items do not need inspecting before first use as they6 have gone through the above process. But, if you buy new then weld the brackets on yourself, then the CE mark no longer applies and you need it LOLER tested.
If you build it a machine and get it LOLER tested, then all is well, there is no legal issue.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg422.pdf
Dave W
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- chesterfield
I think I meant ce mark from manufacturer rather than load tested but yes you are quite correct.
People fail to realise any item that goes between the loader and the load comes under lifting equipment. That goes for buckets, bale spikes/grabs, muck forks on so on and on.
I’d guess a very large proportion of these items on farms wouldn’t comply
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
Flat 8 grab converted to telehandler brackets ??
Dave W
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- chesterfield
Would not be covered by the ce once you have modified it
- Location
- Huntingdon, UK
As above, should be LOLER tested after the coversion is complete and before it is used, then yearly thereafter.
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
Telehandler IS approved by Vulcan so simply include it on next test then ? Strange the tester never wanted to see any attachments other than pallet tines....
Must be 1000's on tractor loaders.
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
Would an ancient farmhand flat 8 grab which was probably made in the States even be CE marked.
Courier
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- M62 - M1 - M18 triangle
Basically it's all about being able to pass the buck - We maintain the brakes on our vans ourselves but get a mobile mechanic to give them a thorough once over on a monthly basis and he gives us a signed off check sheet.
Only ever seem to have brake problems whilst vehicles are under manufacturers warranty and being serviced by main dealer at scheduled intervals.
Only ever seem to have brake problems whilst vehicles are under manufacturers warranty and being serviced by main dealer at scheduled intervals.
- Location
- Huntingdon, UK
Correct, any attachments for the telehandler should also be inspected. Tractor loaders and attachments should be inspected too. Strange Vulcan never mentioned it.
Possibly not, however as I said above that CE mark only means it does not need inspecting before first use when brand new. The CE mark basically means it can be sold across Europe and the government of whatever particular country it is sold in knows a certain procedure has been followed to protect users and others from the product etc etc. After the first use that CE mark effectively means diddly squat safety wise.
Exactly.
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- northumberland
our testing guy (local jcb dealer) says only pallet forks or jib attachment needs tested, buckets/muck forks don't
From the practical point of view, the bag lifter is probably the most likely attachment to have someone working close to it (or even underneath!)
Probably important to get it right. Although bag failure is far more likely than lifting equipment failure.
Probably important to get it right. Although bag failure is far more likely than lifting equipment failure.