The most dangerous man in the world

Alicecow · Feb 23, 2018

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634

Trump says "the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun".

Didn't work, did it

Muck Spreader · Feb 23, 2018

Alicecow said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634

Trump says "the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun".

Didn't work, did it

Yes, it must be one of the most stupid statements ever, but long before Trump and has been the mantra of the NRA for many years. Apparently even the US police only hit their intended target 18% of the time, so not much hope for the average teacher in a class full panicking kids.

Alicecow · Feb 23, 2018

Muck Spreader said:
Yes, it must be one of the most stupid statements ever, but long before Trump and has been the mantra of the NRA for many years. Apparently even the US police only hit their intended target 18% of the time, so not much hope for the average teacher in a class full panicking kids.

I done even know why they are so hung up on this so called right to bear arms. If they look back to when their constitution was written the guns were totally different, the population was totally different and the mindset was totally different. I don't recall a single episode of Little House on the Prairie where any of the children packed a gun for school, not even Nellie Olsen

Ashtree · Feb 23, 2018

Big Button the draft ducker, is a big supporter of the right to bear arms

phillipe · Feb 23, 2018

Alicecow said:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634

Trump says "the way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun".

Didn't work, did it

The good guy ran away!

phillipe · Feb 23, 2018

Ashtree said:
Big Button the draft ducker, is a big supporter of the right to bear arms

Yes and all the others before him failed miserably aswell ,30000 die everyyear from gunshot wounds in america every year,peaked under obama

Hindsight · Feb 23, 2018

skinnyhoskins said:
The good guy ran away!

The good guy possibly had a hand gun and possibly did not rate his chances against an AR15 / M16 semi auto assault rifle with a 'mad' man pulling the trigger. This was my reaction when Mr Trumps suggestion was concealed handguns for teachers. I pondered if he has been watching to many late night films where the hero cop wins armed with a small hand gun.

wanton dwarf · Feb 23, 2018

Hindsight said:
The good guy possibly had a hand gun and possibly did not rate his chances against an AR15 / M16 semi auto assault rifle with a 'mad' man pulling the trigger. This was my reaction when Mr Trumps suggestion was concealed handguns for teachers. I pondered if he has been watching to many late night films where the hero cop wins armed with a small hand gun.

He had a much better chance than the unarmed kids.

If the argument about weapon size and fear of death was true then Police would run away from most shoot outs. They don't. In the UK Police have been know to attack gun wielding robbers with a trunchen. Grannies attacking knife wielding marauders with hand bags.

He had surprise on his side as well as the fact the criminal was busy shooting unarmed civilians. He had a good chance to make a difference.

Certainly not worth employing him in the future is it ?

Wellytrack · Feb 24, 2018

wanton dwarf said:
He had a much better chance than the unarmed kids.

If the argument about weapon size and fear of death was true then Police would run away from most shoot outs. They don't. In the UK Police have been know to attack gun wielding robbers with a trunchen. Grannies attacking knife wielding marauders with hand bags.

He had surprise on his side as well as the fact the criminal was busy shooting unarmed civilians. He had a good chance to make a difference.

Certainly not worth employing him in the future is it ?

Get a grip of yourself and think about what your saying.

Very easy being a warrior sitting on the internets or watching it on telly. I'd love to think I'd be brave and fire off a few rounds with my outgunned pea shooter in the same scenario but in all actuality i cannot say that with any confidence whatsoever. None.

wanton dwarf · Feb 24, 2018

Wellytrack said:
Get a grip of yourself and think about what your saying.

Very easy being a warrior sitting on the internets or watching it on telly. I'd love to think I'd be brave and fire off a few rounds with my outgunned pea shooter in the same scenario but in all actuality i cannot say that with any confidence whatsoever. None.

I don't understand what either of you are saying.

Either you are an adult, a man who realises you don't always come first or not.

The guy who was a guard just took the job without understanding the ultimate consequences of what the future may bring. He should have thought carefully about his responsibility towards others.

Obviously he thought he would never be put in a position where his metal would be tested. His decision to act or not should have been made BEFORE he took the job or pass and let someone who wanted to protect the children, someone with a reason & emotional fibre to do the job.

And quit the silly girly comment your estimation of others based on your moral fibre. I have stood up to someone threatening my father with a gun when I was 16 and I was unarmed. I would always put myself at the bottom and others before.

Further I would say I am not unusual and there are many that risk their lives daily in our armed forces and police.

Your statements are made about yourselves not about others.

Wellytrack · Feb 24, 2018

wanton dwarf said:
I don't understand what either of you are saying.

Either you are an adult, a man who realises you don't always come first or not.

The guy who was a guard just took the job without understanding the ultimate consequences of what the future may bring. He should have thought carefully about his responsibility towards others.

Obviously he thought he would never be put in a position where his metal would be tested. His decision to act or not should have been made BEFORE he took the job or pass and let someone who wanted to protect the children, someone with a reason & emotional fibre to do the job.

And quit the silly girly comment your estimation of others based on your moral fibre. I have stood up to someone threatening my father with a gun when I was 16 and I was unarmed. I would always put myself at the bottom and others before.

Further I would say I am not unusual and there are many that risk their lives daily in our armed forces and police.

Your statements are made about yourselves not about others.

Yes, I am an adult, a man, and yes I do put others first, but I'm also a realist and I've realised people are not predictable.

Ah huh. Your right, I'm not judging others 'metal' or 'moral fibre' or 'emotional fibre' by my own 'girly moral fibre' but you are!

Your more than happy to project what you THINK someone should do in such a situation.

Your very confident in your abilities. You or I unless placed in the EXACT same situation of actually hearing the thud and ring of a high power assault rifle thundering out rounds right there and then CANNOT know how to react.

It's commendable that you had to act in the way you did at 16, successfully too as your still alive but also its sad to be faced with such a situation, but don't you think that being threatened with a gun is slightly different from actually being there hearing the screams and deafening blarges of gunfire?

sh!t would get very real very fooking quick.

You and your father survived your ordeal but wouldn't it been better not to been threatened with a gun at all?

It's good to know heroes still exist as coming from a family farm on the Irish border our family have never had close friends or family shot to pieces or our moral fibre tested.

rob1 · Feb 24, 2018

Not sure why trump is getting the blame for this, what did any of his predecessors do about removing guns ? Having seen a gun store in the states the size ofyour average B&Q store with every possible typeof gun for sale freely there must be millions of guns around, I would like to see a realistic idea on how to get them under control,even in this country you get get a handgun quite easily if you knowwhoto as, I know two people who "claim" they have them and several others who say they know who to ask, guns dont kill its the nutters who fire them that do and they may be easier to keep track off than the guns in the states, and even then those intent on becoming infamous could take a big knife and kill a few.
Not against gun control but how do you do it?

phillipe · Feb 24, 2018

Wellytrack said:
Get a grip of yourself and think about what your saying.

Very easy being a warrior sitting on the internets or watching it on telly. I'd love to think I'd be brave and fire off a few rounds with my outgunned pea shooter in the same scenario but in all actuality i cannot say that with any confidence whatsoever. None.

He had been trained for this type of incident

phillipe · Feb 24, 2018

America has 5%of the worlds population and over half of the hand guns in the world,gun contfol is never going to happen,this is the 18th school shooting in the last 12 months,

fudge · Feb 24, 2018

rob1 said:
Not sure why trump is getting the blame for this, what did any of his predecessors do about removing guns ? Having seen a gun store in the states the size ofyour average B&Q store with every possible typeof gun for sale freely there must be millions of guns around, I would like to see a realistic idea on how to get them under control,even in this country you get get a handgun quite easily if you knowwhoto as, I know two people who "claim" they have them and several others who say they know who to ask, guns dont kill its the nutters who fire them that do and they may be easier to keep track off than the guns in the states, and even then those intent on becoming infamous could take a big knife and kill a few.
Not against gun control but how do you do it?

You don’t know why Trump is getting stick over this? Did he accept money from the NRA? As president he should show leadership yet he is morally absent. His solution is for teachers to carry concealed weapons thus making the whole of what should be a caring profession an untrained target. No doubt he would see a frightened teacher shooting the “hell” out of a teenager with a replica weapon as proof that his policy was working as would the knuckle dragging NRA.

phillipe · Feb 24, 2018

fudge said:
You don’t know why Trump is getting stick over this? Did he accept money from the NRA? As president he should show leadership yet he is morally absent. His solution is for teachers to carry concealed weapons thus making the whole of what should be a caring profession an untrained target. No doubt he would see a frightened teacher shooting the “hell” out of a teenager with a replica weapon as proof that his policy was working as would the knuckle dragging NRA.

The clintons were supported by the nra ,obama for his second term was supported by the nra ,both bushes were supported by the nra just pointing that out

Honest john · Feb 24, 2018

There is no answer to this issue.

I would have thought teachers could have a stun gun.

Children could be chipped to gain entry into a school.

Better security at entry to schools.

But this type of thing will never sadly be stopped.

caveman · Feb 24, 2018

skinnyhoskins said:
The clintons were supported by the nra ,obama for his second term was supported by the nra ,both bushes were supported by the nra just pointing that out

It's so easy for some.
Just get rid of those you don't like or agree with and all will fall into place and be hunky dory.

fudge · Feb 24, 2018

skinnyhoskins said:
The clintons were supported by the nra ,obama for his second term was supported by the nra ,both bushes were supported by the nra just pointing that out

Did they describe them as the good guys? Obama wasn’t politically strong enough to control guns precisely because the evil corrupting of the political process by the NRA. He also admitted his failure was a tragedy for the USA. Expect no such contrition from that coward Trump.

Jackov Altraids · Feb 24, 2018

Honest john said:
There is no answer to this issue.

I would have thought teachers could have a stun gun.

Children could be chipped to gain entry into a school.

Better security at entry to schools.

But this type of thing will never sadly be stopped.

There is an answer, more gun controls.

It is simply too easy for anyone to legally get hold of a gun, particularly semi/ automatic weapons capable of huge damage in a very short time.
Freaks can always get hold of weapons but that is what gives them away and you don't need to make it very difficult to put off some having a sudden meltdown from getting hold of one.

What should be done now, is to bring in new rules for anyone born since 2000.
This would make it easier to police and should prevent all the belly aching from the adults who won't be affected.
This might take a lifetime to make a difference but it's a bloody good start.

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