- Location
- Berkshire
Around here a S2S would be a fixed fee with no management responsibility, any profit share would be a contract farming agreement with the contractor effectively managing the farm day to day
Stubble to stubble contract.
- Thread starter samsung
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Hmm. How do you have no management responsibility? You've got to liaise with the client and plan operations.
I gave a S2S up that involved no grain storage or estate costs e.g. game covers or hedge cutting, just the arable land but included agronomy, product choice & ordering as well as all operations to the point of loading it into a lorry to go to off farm storage. It was for a lot more than £100/acre & on paper I made little profit but it did subsidise my home farm and suited some of my logistics. No profit share - that's a CFA in my opinion - just a fixed fee regardless of what crop choice or whether we had to redrill anything or not. No bonus in the bonanza year of 2011 and extra costs redrilling crops in the horrible year of 2012.
- Location
- Berkshire
What I'm trying to say is that the more involvement in decision making the more the fee should be, up-to the point of where the contractor is then running the arable area then it's a profit share to reward for the results.
I now do a much smaller area of s2s where I'm paid per operation, much fairer to both parties than a flat fee, they order products, sell grain, tell me when they'd like to drill etc, my responsibility is to turn up and carry out what's asked of me to the best of my ability, anymore responsibility than that and I'd want to charge an additional fee to cover this or a profit share, I think a lot of s2s or cfa's don't account enough for management time and the contractor absorbs a lot of this cost...
I now do a much smaller area of s2s where I'm paid per operation, much fairer to both parties than a flat fee, they order products, sell grain, tell me when they'd like to drill etc, my responsibility is to turn up and carry out what's asked of me to the best of my ability, anymore responsibility than that and I'd want to charge an additional fee to cover this or a profit share, I think a lot of s2s or cfa's don't account enough for management time and the contractor absorbs a lot of this cost...
warksfarmer
Member
An agent asked us what we would charge as he had a farmer considering going down that route. We said £150/acre then within a few weeks we were asked if we were interested in somebody doing our work for £100/acre!
warksfarmer
Member
What was your reply to that? Avoid 4 letter words
Not looking as we’re cheaper in house but there’s people working for nothing out there!
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
You could use the same argument for NFU Mutual insurance....
But they were monkeys ! Just very expensive ones !
- Location
- Bedfordshire
You usually get what you pay for.
Several years ago a firm was doing s2s round here for £60, when the going rate at the time was £100. Some took them on, but soon regretted it and they didn't last long.
Several years ago a firm was doing s2s round here for £60, when the going rate at the time was £100. Some took them on, but soon regretted it and they didn't last long.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
Very true! I hear somewhere it the middle is about right...
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/stubble-to-stubble-rate.7366/#post-109471
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
Then it becomes an arguement about the need for the extra pass etc
- Location
- Berkshire
I'd rather have a discussion about passes than working for nothing !!
glasshouse
Member
- Location
- lothians
Contract farming is the worst thing ever invented.
You are giving your expertise away for nothing.
You are giving your expertise away for nothing.
Only if you’re not charging enough.
Very true! I hear somewhere it the middle is about right...
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/stubble-to-stubble-rate.7366/#post-109471
Think I might have been being sarcastic at the time !
Not if you charge for it !
Much better than paying rent, if your pior charge covers your costs then you can’t loose in a bad year but do well if you perform well
Rent has to be paid regardless of good / bad years
Warp Land Farmer
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- Location
- Hazzard County
I can hear the reversing bleeper louder than an Italian tank!!!